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06:19 Oct-22-2007

zhang jun
Student, - wuhan university ,
NDT institution,
China,
Joined Oct 2007
1
3422 views
phase array system
I want to buy a phase aray system,but I don't know which one to choose
can anybody give me some advice?


 
 
07:43 Oct-22-2007

Joe Buckley
Engineering, Applications Technology Manager ASNT L-III,
Sonatest Ltd.,
United Kingdom,
Joined Oct 1999
344 Stand of Sonatest Ltd
Re: phase array system
I think I speak for every vendor when i say you should buy the one we sell...


Realistically there are 4 choices of manufacturer

Harfang - first portable and obviously the best
Olympus
AGR
GE

which one is best for you depends on your budget, needs and, to some extent, on local availability of support.

Rgds

Joe


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: I want to buy a phase aray system,but I don't know which one to choose
: can anybody give me some advice?
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08:04 Oct-22-2007

Michael Moles †2014 *1948
Sales, -,
Olympus NDT,
Canada,
Joined Feb 2005
62 Stand of Olympus
Re: phase array system
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: I want to buy a phase aray system,but I don't know which one to choose
: can anybody give me some advice?
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There is a wide range of PA systems on the market now, from portables to luggables to large systems. What you need depends on your application(s). May I suggest that you check our web site to get an idea of what is available, then contact our local reps (which you can do from the web site).




 
 
02:52 Oct-23-2007
David Bong
Re: phase array system
Dear Sir,

There are some phased array instruments on the market today as followings:
1. Phasor from GEIT.
This instruments is low cost ans very low feature. Voltage is limited 80V and no DAC curves. This low-end instrument is for poor users.
2. Omniscan from OlympusNDT
This instrument is very heavy and have not got DAC curve. This is for common users.
3. X-32 from HARFANG Microtechniques Inc. This is the best portable PA instrument with the powerful perfomance. Voltage upto 200V allow you to test thick object. This high-end instrument is for professional users.

Good luck!

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: I want to buy a phase aray system,but I don't know which one to choose
: can anybody give me some advice?
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03:23 Oct-23-2007

Mark Nel
, Applications Advisor,
Technology Design Ltd.,
United Kingdom,
Joined Jul 2005
43 Stand of Technology Design Ltd
Re: phase array system
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: I want to buy a phase aray system,but I don't know which one to choose
: can anybody give me some advice?
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There is no 'one size fits all' instrument. I suggest you look at the data sheets of all prospective istruments and choose according to your application requirement. Visit the AGR Field Operations website for the TD range of Phased array & ToFD systems.



 
 
04:26 Oct-23-2007

Michael Moles †2014 *1948
Sales, -,
Olympus NDT,
Canada,
Joined Feb 2005
62 Stand of Olympus
Re: phase array system
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: Dear Sir,
: There are some phased array instruments on the market today as followings:
: 1. Phasor from GEIT.
: This instruments is low cost ans very low feature. Voltage is limited 80V and no DAC curves. This low-end instrument is for poor users.
: 2. Omniscan from OlympusNDT
: This instrument is very heavy and have not got DAC curve. This is for common users.
: 3. X-32 from HARFANG Microtechniques Inc. This is the best portable PA instrument with the powerful perfomance. Voltage upto 200V allow you to test thick object. This high-end instrument is for professional users.
: Good luck!
: : I want to buy a phase aray system,but I don't know which one to choose
: : can anybody give me some advice?
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Sounds like a bit of mis-information here.
1. OmniScan does have DAC, and TCG, and Auto-TCG, and full waveform calibration.
2. Pulser voltage is not the key to penetration; it issignal-to-noise, and the correct probe. OmniScan is quite capable of sending signals down a railway axle.
Recommendation: Contact all your local reps for a demo, and go from there.




 
 
01:31 Oct-25-2007

Kelly Phelps

Sales, - Designer ,
USA,
Joined Jul 2006
3
Re: phase array system
I have had the opportunity use the GE Phaser XS and it is a nice piece of equipment. Very easy to use.


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: I want to buy a phase aray system,but I don't know which one to choose
: can anybody give me some advice?
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19:01 Nov-18-2010
Mr. G
Re: phase array system
In Reply to Kelly Phelps on 01:31 Oct-25-2007 .

Phaser xs from GE very easy to use but dependt for what

 
 
21:44 Nov-18-2010

Patrick Tremblay

Sales, - ,
Zetec,
Canada,
Joined Nov 2010
14 Stand of ZETEC, Inc.
Re: phase array system
In Reply to zhang jun on 06:19 Oct-22-2007 (Opening).

As others mentioned, there is a wide range of phased array systems which fulfill different needs.

Zetec's DYNARAY and ZIRCON phased array systems, used with the UltraVision 3 software, offer great performances for encoded inspection.

You can find information on these products on Zetec's NDT.net page and on our website.

 
 
06:10 Nov-19-2010

Nguyen Quang Tien

Vietnam,
Joined Oct 2010
3
Re: phase array system
In Reply to zhang jun on 06:19 Oct-22-2007 (Opening).

Hi Zhang Jun,

Now, Sonatest's VEO phased array system is modernest and best versatile. The unit include with PA, TOFD, Conventional UT. Assessment capability is fast, visibility like as negative film,...by kinds of pointers and layout viewer as: A,B,C,L,S-Scan, TOFD, TOP,END-view,...; high-resolution, high-accuracy; anti-flex, bright TFT 256K color wide screen is easy viewer in any light conditions. The unit is easy for using with design of alive web interface. Support for planning weld; speed scan up to 10-15cm/s; report by pdf; long batteries life; inductive scroll-wheel navigator key and shell design comply with IP65;...... Detail more refer to www.sonatestveo.com
If you have requirement, you can contact to me tiennq@gmail.com

Nguyen Quang Tien

 
 
16:14 Nov-21-2010

JOhn

NDT Inspector, - ,
China,
Joined Jun 2010
9
Re: phase array system
In Reply to zhang jun on 06:19 Oct-22-2007 (Opening).

Zhang,I'm John from MatrixNDT,are you in the same lab with professor Ding?and I will go to Wuhan next week,if you want,I can meet with you.and I suggest M2M's PA system.if you want,please send me you phone number,I can call you.

 
 
09:22 Nov-24-2010

vicky

NDT Inspector, Blue Star Limited ,
IE ,
India,
Joined May 2009
29
Re: phase array system
In Reply to zhang jun on 06:19 Oct-22-2007 (Opening).

Hello my friend,
Well to find the which quipment to go for please look into various aspects for like
What are the types of jobs that you are intended to do with the same machine?
Before making the final desicision look in to the environment that you are going to use the same for ( It should not happen that you take it to the feild the machine never works at the same environment)?
Also see incase if the the machine and its accessories are always reliable as well as are interchangeable?
Also never get carried away by the sales talks always ask for demonstration and only make the decesion once you are fully satisfied by the same.
Hope these tips would be usefull for you!

regards
Vicky

 
 
14:22 Nov-24-2010

David Drolet Tremblay

NDT Inspector, Cunsultant,
OmniTest NDT,
Canada,
Joined Sep 2010
6
Re: phase array system
In Reply to zhang jun on 06:19 Oct-22-2007 (Opening).

I've used the Olympus NDT OmniScan MX for many years in refinery, steel fabrication yards, pulp and paper industry. It's one of the best portable phased array equipment available on the market. It has powerfull features, it is portable, it has the possibility to become a ET instrument by changing a simple module.

David

 
 
06:21 Feb-01-2011
Morgan Troedsson
Re: phase array system
In Reply to Michael Moles †2014 *1948 on 04:26 Oct-23-2007 .

I certainly agree with the general statements of Mr. Moles. The most vital parameters are:
1. Correct UT probe selection.
2. Pulser output voltage.
3. Signal-to-noice ratio with gain amplifiers and A/D converters.
Logaritmic gain amplifiers are commendable.

 
 
12:49 Feb-11-2011
Peter
Re: phase array system
In Reply to zhang jun on 06:19 Oct-22-2007 (Opening).

Hi Zhang.
We are very experienced in the supply of Omniscan sytstems. Please get in touch to discuss further.

Peter.shaw@oceanscan.co.uk

 
 
05:40 Feb-28-2011
peter freedman
Re: phase array system
In Reply to zhang jun on 06:19 Oct-22-2007 (Opening).

Depending on what you want to acheive that is how many probes you want to run and Olympus Omni scan is far the best on the market both functional backed up by code cases, a lot more can be done in comparison with other units on the market. Olympus have other larger systems that are even faster with more capabilities.

 
 
13:37 Mar-11-2011

Jack Miller

NDT Inspector,
Nucor Steel,
USA,
Joined Apr 2005
6
Re: phase array system
In Reply to zhang jun on 06:19 Oct-22-2007 (Opening).

I currently use both systems the TD Focus Scan and Omniscan units. I use one over the other due to sensitivity and data collection. Like others have said it is all due to your application. Good luck

 
 
04:10 Mar-12-2011
Nino Condessa
Re: phase array system
In Reply to zhang jun on 06:19 Oct-22-2007 (Opening).

Please Mr. Wuhan,
I think the Olympus Omniscan is the most dificult equpment to operate in our planet.
You may choose the more easy and robust.
Good Luck
Nino

 
 
16:06 Mar-15-2011
François-Côme Beaupré
Re: phase array system
In Reply to Nino Condessa on 04:10 Mar-12-2011 .

I would like to bring some more information on the OmniScan:
First, with thousands of units in the field, I believe it can be considered as the reference in the market of AUT by a long shot. Regarding the ease of use, the number of units has to speak by itself... Moreover, we have more than 25 training academies worldwide and thousands of trained certified operators.

Also, Looking at ONDT after sales services around the globe, the number of units coming back for repair is impressively low.

On the specifications comparison side, the OmniScan has just the right combination of parameters to stay portable, rugged for the field, contain all necessary specs to be used together to achieve what is the goal of an inspection: use calibrated beams (ALL beams needs to be calibrated), to give your customer a report containing all information about the indications in the inspected part, in an easy interface to be used by any UT qualified personnel. And this for a wide range of applications to maximize the return on investment.

Please feel free to contact me if you need more information.
Best Regards,

 
 
18:18 Mar-15-2011

Joe Buckley
Engineering, Applications Technology Manager ASNT L-III,
Sonatest Ltd.,
United Kingdom,
Joined Oct 1999
344 Stand of Sonatest Ltd
Re: phase array system
In Reply to François-Côme Beaupré on 16:06 Mar-15-2011 .

Obviously François reckons the Omniscan is the best. This just bears out the comment I made 3 1/2 years ago in this thread.

I would certainly concede that the Omniscan has been out for the longest and is probably most widely used. But of course it also has negatives.

For my part I would now recommend the veo....

seriously do not listen to us as equipment vendors. Look at the equipment itself. try it out if you can. ensure you have the necessary support. Most of the major manufacturers equipment is now pretty good.

 
 
01:08 Mar-27-2011

Michel Couture
NDT Inspector, ,
consultant,
Canada,
Joined Sep 2006
517
Re: phase array system
In Reply to Joe Buckley on 18:18 Mar-15-2011 .

I've worked with the OMNISCAN and like it. But I also had the plaisure to review the PA unit from Sonatest and I got to tell you I would struggle to make a purchase decision. There are some things in the Sonatest that are really good. For one you don't have to invest in E S Beam Tool from Eclipse Scientific to have a preview of your scans.

What you should do if you want to purchase a unit is not to ask others what they like, but get sales rep from each company to your place and have them do their sales pitch. Tell them what you're looking for and what you want. This is what they are paid to do?

 
 
12:06 Mar-27-2011

sudheer jai krishnan

NDT Inspector, - ,
bluestarindia,
India,
Joined Mar 2011
30
Re: phase array system
In Reply to Nino Condessa on 04:10 Mar-12-2011 .

Dear Zhang,

Mr.Nino is wrong and the Omnican is very easy to understand with in built help file.Please contact your chinese representatives or kindly contact the Asia Pacific Sales Director(mail id given below) of Olympus NDT for a demo.

carl.mercier@olympusndt.com

Please see the demo of Omniscan and they you decide whether to buy the equipment or not.

 
 
19:39 Mar-27-2011

Massimo Carminati
Consultant, AUT specialist,
IMG Ultrasuoni Srl,
Italy,
Joined Apr 2007
502 Stand of IMG ULTRASUONI SRL
Re: phase array system
In Reply to Nino Condessa on 04:10 Mar-12-2011 .

I' ve been wiorming with Omniscans since its introduction on the market; I believe it is a good balance between UT performances and portability. The very best point of this equipment is Tomoview software.....nothing is better than this for PA inspections and data analisys.

It is a pity that now Olympus (former R/D Tech) organization, in Italy at least, is not as good as the instruments.....

I'm wondering why these organizations (GE, Olympus...) does not have any skilled and experienced fiels UT specialist to directly support sales and customers; this would be the nicest feature ever of these instruments!!

 
 
19:14 Jul-16-2011
Logan Goheen
Re: phase array system
In Reply to Massimo Carminati on 19:39 Mar-27-2011 .

Overall I think this previous post was the best.

The benefits of Phased array are Extraordinary. The community has been talking about positive results and the potential for years. So what is the hangup and why has adoption been so slow?

Post you own opinion but Basically what I hear from customers most is companies want to sell the instrument not the solution. Also I hear support is not that great once you shell out the money. The instrument is only as powerful as the knowledge of how to deploy it properly and efficiently in an integrated manner. The company that figures out how to support their product lines with application development focused on customer problems, training support, and focused phased array expertise will be your best bet. A website with a bunch of generic information and manuals is not going to be very helpful in helping you implement PAUT efficiently, in a timely manner, and with the best results. PAUT is not that hard to implement when you have a partner with the right expertise that helps you.

As a member of the Zetec team I would urge you to take a look at us and what we have accomplished. We want to partner with you to find solutions to your problems. Sure, we can talk about high end instruments but take a look at the projects we have helped our customers achieve and what they have to say about us and the results. We supply a full range of field deployed phased array instruments up to 256/256PR instruments found in the worlds leading laboratories for PAUT technique development. The software and instruments are modular in that you can add features and options depending on your needs. All share a common base for continuity. The software is probably the best in the industry but also has the added benefit that we are on the cutting edge of all phased array UT application development and constantly feed back customer requests and our field knowledge into the software on a continual basis. Likewise our equipment designs are based on field experience, customer inputs, and strong attention to the details that make or break projects and programs.

We want to be your partner in phased array and show you what we are all about. Please give us a ring at 418-266-3020 or email customerservice@zetec.com to get set up with a phased array expert that can help you find answers to your phased array and program payoff questions. We also have detailed working and applications experience with almost all other PAUT instruments such as the Omniscan so we can speak to differences and point you to them if they are a better fit.

 
 
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