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Re: ndt qualification???
Posted by: Joe Buckley (PID_358), E-mail: Address, on December 24, 2008 at 13:38 :
In Reply to: Re: ndt qualification??? posted by : Stuart , E-mail: Address, on December 24, 2008 at 12:41 :
"Hope that the explanations have given you abit of an insight to what lies ahead."
But we can tell you love it really. I think it is obvious that this is one of the professions where "you Do have to be crazy to work here" But fortunately there are enough lunatics that the world keeps on turning.
I'm sure Adam will make a go of it, at least in the North of England there are at least two very well respected training schools and several good employers nearby - you should be able to get into the profession fairly easily, and out again (although few manage it) without totally uprooting your life if it doesn't work out.
Good luck.
and merry Christmas to everyone
Joe
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: Hi there, well i have been interested by the comments in this and a couple of other posts, and would just like to ad a couple of comments myself, from the viewpoint of a 30+ yearTech/Inspectors side and with a great deal of hindsight and experience.
: Ok 1. I am a Brit and have at various times been qualified under the following certification systems in ndt: A- ASNT B-CSWIP,C- PCN,D- ERS/BGC, E- Lloyds Inspection.
: 2. It is only worth having the qualification that is in demand at the time, although there are situations where having an alternative approval is advantagous.
: 3. The British Institute of NDT actually instigated the system in the UK in response to the introduction of the ISO 9000 quality systems documentation. PCN ( Personnel Certification In NDT) is an independent body that accreditates the PCN approval system, specifically to training establishments, and is a world wide system thought mainly applied in Europe. ( it is an employer independent system and so is yours to take with you for the validity of the certificate).
: 4. As with ASNT and i think most other NDT certifications in the world today, it is a 3 level sytem 1-2-3, with 3 having the full responsibility for training, procedure writing and running a test facility, e.t.c.
: 4. Note that the PCN system has recertification by paperwork or examination/practical every 5 years with a mandatory practical renewal of certification every 10 years, unless additional catergories or or a higher level i.e. 1-2 or 2-3 has been undertaken in the meantime.
: 5 Now is it a worthwhile carreer choice?, there are two answers to that a, yes b no, qualified by the following statement: if you want to travel, be paid a low salary for extreme unsocial hours, in cold muddy, wet conditions where everybody is giving you grief because they are waiting for results, or they do not like the results you produce, and have to spend money continuously to maintain, update, and progress your certifications, or stay near home and have a lower salary for unsocial e.t.c. then the answer is up to you.
: Oh and yes i nearly forgot, most Indian technicians and Inspectors have a minimum of a degree and are approx 50-70% cheaper to employ than European and American technicians, so really you are restricted to Europe, and West Africa for overseas locations, will live in a single room in a dirty flat in a dirty block of flats in a dirty city, or a rundown construction site, that is if you are looking for overseas work. I really do not have room for an explanation fo offshore work that is a whole new ball game as our friends across the water say.
: Hope that the explanations have given you abit of an insight to what lies ahead.
:
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: : Adam,
: : Looks to me like you're on the right track. Sorry I can't be more precise because I live in Canada and the process for certification maybe a little different and I don't know aboutt he British employment market. Maybe Nigel would be able to answer this one. In any case welcome to the trade and good luck.
: : Cheerio's
: : Michel
: : : thank you for your feedback.
: : : i am 21 from the north east of england, i am a painter by trade but wanting a change of career and am very interested in testing.
: : : I have been looking around the internet for private courses bt am still unsure on the qualifications needed from an employer for a general tester.
: : : I have been thinking of taking the courses below and if anyone could tell me if there is anything else needed for a basic tester looking for active work in the uk or abroad:
: : : Liquid Penetrant Inspection Course. Combined Level 1 & 2
: : : Magnetic Particle Inspection Course. Combined Level 1 & 2
: : : Radiographic Course. Level 1 or Level 2
: : : Basic Radiation Safety Course
: : : the courses are from a company with a Authorised Qualifying Body of the PCN scheme
: : : i would like to know if the courses above would be sufficient enough to gain employment as a basic ndt tester??
: : : thank you for any help and im sorry if there isnt much information for anyone to go on as im still researching the subject myself.
: : : : Adam
: : : : Michel has made clear the eseential differneces in the two best-known certification schemes - central-certification versus employer-based, so I dont want add to that.
: : : : You tell us nothing about yourself apart from your first name and age. However if its a long term career offering interest and insight into modern industrial world then NDT has excellent potential. there are many different process streams which need deiffering uses of both intrusive and non-intrusive inspections. From your email address you could be UK based in which case the proposed nuclear power plant construction programme would offer you excellent opportiunity.
: : : : My advice is to hone your web research skills so that you can arm yourself with as much information as you can digest before thinking about certification - if you are keen then the certification will come in a form appropriate to the demands of the sector withhin which you work.
: : : : I dont want to over-elaborate so I'll just wish you good luck.
: : : : : Hi Adam,
: : : : : I think it would help if we knew where you live. But in a nutshell, PCN stands for Personal Cerification in NDT, it is a Europeen Certification and is recognised world wide. ASNT stands for American Society of Non-destructive Testing, so as the name imply American, also recognised world wide. To obtain any Certification, you have to meet their requirements on education and time in the trade (apprentiship). Once you write and pass their exam, you will be certified in the method that you were seeking certification in.
: : : : : A slight difference with ASNT is that there are two different type of Certification. One is the ACCP where you attend some approuved course, you go thru your apprentiship and then will write a Certification exam from the governing body (ie. ASNT). The other type of ASNT Certification is called the TC-1A Practice where you get your approuved course, go thru your apprentiship and write your Certification exam that is provided by your employer or the client of your employer. The draw back with the TC-1A is that if you loose your employment, you also loose your Certification. I believe that any Certification program that is recognised by a National body is a good one. It really depend on where you want to work and what you want to do with your life.
: : : : : Good luck,
: : : : : Michel
: : : : : : my name is adam i'm 21 and thinking of starting a career in the NDT buisness, i am looking to achive qualifications from dye pen, mpi, radiography and ultrasonic.
: : : : : : my problem is i've seen 2 different type's of the same qualification (PCN and ASNT) and i don't know the difference therefore dnt no which qualification to go for.
: : : : : : if anyone could reply and actually tell me the difference and or the benefits between them i would be gratefull.
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----------- Start Original Message ----------- : "Hope that the explanations have given you abit of an insight to what lies ahead." : But we can tell you love it really. I think it is obvious that this is one of the professions where "you Do have to be crazy to work here" But fortunately there are enough lunatics that the world keeps on turning. : I'm sure Adam will make a go of it, at least in the North of England there are at least two very well respected training schools and several good employers nearby - you should be able to get into the profession fairly easily, and out again (although few manage it) without totally uprooting your life if it doesn't work out. : Good luck. : and merry Christmas to everyone : Joe : : Hi there, well i have been interested by the comments in this and a couple of other posts, and would just like to ad a couple of comments myself, from the viewpoint of a 30+ yearTech/Inspectors side and with a great deal of hindsight and experience. : : Ok 1. I am a Brit and have at various times been qualified under the following certification systems in ndt: A- ASNT B-CSWIP,C- PCN,D- ERS/BGC, E- Lloyds Inspection. : : 2. It is only worth having the qualification that is in demand at the time, although there are situations where having an alternative approval is advantagous. : : 3. The British Institute of NDT actually instigated the system in the UK in response to the introduction of the ISO 9000 quality systems documentation. PCN ( Personnel Certification In NDT) is an independent body that accreditates the PCN approval system, specifically to training establishments, and is a world wide system thought mainly applied in Europe. ( it is an employer independent system and so is yours to take with you for the validity of the certificate). : : 4. As with ASNT and i think most other NDT certifications in the world today, it is a 3 level sytem 1-2-3, with 3 having the full responsibility for training, procedure writing and running a test facility, e.t.c. : : 4. Note that the PCN system has recertification by paperwork or examination/practical every 5 years with a mandatory practical renewal of certification every 10 years, unless additional catergories or or a higher level i.e. 1-2 or 2-3 has been undertaken in the meantime. : : 5 Now is it a worthwhile carreer choice?, there are two answers to that a, yes b no, qualified by the following statement: if you want to travel, be paid a low salary for extreme unsocial hours, in cold muddy, wet conditions where everybody is giving you grief because they are waiting for results, or they do not like the results you produce, and have to spend money continuously to maintain, update, and progress your certifications, or stay near home and have a lower salary for unsocial e.t.c. then the answer is up to you. : : Oh and yes i nearly forgot, most Indian technicians and Inspectors have a minimum of a degree and are approx 50-70% cheaper to employ than European and American technicians, so really you are restricted to Europe, and West Africa for overseas locations, will live in a single room in a dirty flat in a dirty block of flats in a dirty city, or a rundown construction site, that is if you are looking for overseas work. I really do not have room for an explanation fo offshore work that is a whole new ball game as our friends across the water say. : : Hope that the explanations have given you abit of an insight to what lies ahead. : : : : ---------- Start Original Message ----------- : : : Adam, : : : Looks to me like you're on the right track. Sorry I can't be more precise because I live in Canada and the process for certification maybe a little different and I don't know aboutt he British employment market. Maybe Nigel would be able to answer this one. In any case welcome to the trade and good luck. : : : Cheerio's : : : Michel : : : : thank you for your feedback. : : : : i am 21 from the north east of england, i am a painter by trade but wanting a change of career and am very interested in testing. : : : : I have been looking around the internet for private courses bt am still unsure on the qualifications needed from an employer for a general tester. : : : : I have been thinking of taking the courses below and if anyone could tell me if there is anything else needed for a basic tester looking for active work in the uk or abroad: : : : : Liquid Penetrant Inspection Course. Combined Level 1 & 2 : : : : Magnetic Particle Inspection Course. Combined Level 1 & 2 : : : : Radiographic Course. Level 1 or Level 2 : : : : Basic Radiation Safety Course : : : : the courses are from a company with a Authorised Qualifying Body of the PCN scheme : : : : i would like to know if the courses above would be sufficient enough to gain employment as a basic ndt tester?? : : : : thank you for any help and im sorry if there isnt much information for anyone to go on as im still researching the subject myself. : : : : : Adam : : : : : Michel has made clear the eseential differneces in the two best-known certification schemes - central-certification versus employer-based, so I dont want add to that. : : : : : You tell us nothing about yourself apart from your first name and age. However if its a long term career offering interest and insight into modern industrial world then NDT has excellent potential. there are many different process streams which need deiffering uses of both intrusive and non-intrusive inspections. From your email address you could be UK based in which case the proposed nuclear power plant construction programme would offer you excellent opportiunity. : : : : : My advice is to hone your web research skills so that you can arm yourself with as much information as you can digest before thinking about certification - if you are keen then the certification will come in a form appropriate to the demands of the sector withhin which you work. : : : : : I dont want to over-elaborate so I'll just wish you good luck. : : : : : : Hi Adam, : : : : : : I think it would help if we knew where you live. But in a nutshell, PCN stands for Personal Cerification in NDT, it is a Europeen Certification and is recognised world wide. ASNT stands for American Society of Non-destructive Testing, so as the name imply American, also recognised world wide. To obtain any Certification, you have to meet their requirements on education and time in the trade (apprentiship). Once you write and pass their exam, you will be certified in the method that you were seeking certification in. : : : : : : A slight difference with ASNT is that there are two different type of Certification. One is the ACCP where you attend some approuved course, you go thru your apprentiship and then will write a Certification exam from the governing body (ie. ASNT). The other type of ASNT Certification is called the TC-1A Practice where you get your approuved course, go thru your apprentiship and write your Certification exam that is provided by your employer or the client of your employer. The draw back with the TC-1A is that if you loose your employment, you also loose your Certification. I believe that any Certification program that is recognised by a National body is a good one. It really depend on where you want to work and what you want to do with your life. : : : : : : Good luck, : : : : : : Michel : : : : : : : my name is adam i'm 21 and thinking of starting a career in the NDT buisness, i am looking to achive qualifications from dye pen, mpi, radiography and ultrasonic. : : : : : : : my problem is i've seen 2 different type's of the same qualification (PCN and ASNT) and i don't know the difference therefore dnt no which qualification to go for. : : : : : : : if anyone could reply and actually tell me the difference and or the benefits between them i would be gratefull. ------------ End Original Message ------------

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