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Re: acoustic speed of liquid metal
Posted by: Steffen Bonss , E-mail: bonss@iws.fhg.de, on May 13, 1997 at 08:45:12:
In Reply to: Re: acoustic speed of liquid metal posted by : Linas Svilainis on May 12, 1997 at 18:18:23:
: :
: : : I would like to measure the acoustic speed in liquid titanium
: : : during laser gas alloying. The enclosed figure shows the intended
: : : arrangement. Can you give useful hints about suitable transducers
: : : and frequencies?
: : Some additional information would be helpful here:
: : 1. What material will be used for the water cooled coupling plate, and what will be the maximum surface temperature at the point of transducer contact?
: : 2. From the drawing, it appears that the liquid will be in the form of a pool on top of a block of solid titanium. Is this the case? If so, will you be able to determine the depth of the liquid with some precision? In order to calculate velocity from pulse transit time, it will be necessary to know the exact depth.
: : --Tom Nelligan
: I agree with Tom-the temperature at the transducer coupling point is necessary first.
: As it concerns the measurement of melted Titanium depth, I came up with idea to measure
: unmelted titanium block length under the bath. The interface between melted/solid titanium
: should give the reflection, which could be used to measure the unmelted titanium length.
: If the measurement is performed from the very begining, when all the titanium is not melted,
: latter measurement can be subtracted from initial one.
: Liquid titanium could change its volume, so the optical measurement can be done from the laser
: beam side. In this case laser beam might be employed to do that.
: One also has to be aware of raising temperature effect on solid titanium ultrasound speed.
: If there is no liquid in the ultrasound path from transducer to melted/solid titanium interface,
: dual wave transducer can be used. Interesting choice are Zinc oxide sputtered transducers.
: If ZnO crystals are sputtered at some agle, such transducer is producing longitudinal and share
: waves at the same time. In such case the temperature effect can be eliminated. It will also
: produce a good acoustical coupling. But... How much of temperature these transducers culd withstand?
: In case the temperature at measurement point is quite low, it couls be the case.
: I believe there should be one more case considered. The bath will be of a hemisphere shape.
: In case wide beam transducer is ised, there will be a distortion in bath bottom depth measurement.
: I think the transducer should be foccused, with focal point located at liquid-gas interface.
: In case there will be penetration of melted bath deeper to titanium block, the position of surface
: might change, so the focal spot length should be under consideration too.
: All said concerns the pulse propagation in the liquid titanium bath measurements. The transit-time
: resonanse, tone-burst phase match and etc techniques can be considered.
: There is one more idea. The ultrasonic beam, after passing the liquid titanium bath, can create
: the waves on the melted titanium surface. By laser interferometry measurements (might be shearography
: can be suitable too), the spatial distance between two peaks can be measured. The wavelength can be
: calculated in such way...
: Linas Svilainis
The cooled coupling plate is planned to make of an AlMg-alloy.
The maximum temperature at the point of transducer contact shall
be about 373 K. At the back site of the titanium plate the
temperature raises to about 873 K, but very localized beneath
the melting bath. The liquid titatium is in fact a pool on top
of the solid titanium, but a pool wandering along the surface.
While the transducer position is fixed beneath the titanium, the
liquid pool moves through the sound field. The method suggested
by Linas for measuring the melting depth should be possible, if the
echos are measurable. The second way for measuring the melting depth
is cutting and polishing the specimen after processing. The position of
transducer and specimen, the track speed and the moment when the
measuring starts are exactly known. In this way it should be possible
to determine the melting depth too.
Steffen Bonss

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: : : : : : : I would like to measure the acoustic speed in liquid titanium : : : : during laser gas alloying. The enclosed figure shows the intended : : : : arrangement. Can you give useful hints about suitable transducers : : : : and frequencies? : : : Some additional information would be helpful here: : : : 1. What material will be used for the water cooled coupling plate, and what will be the maximum surface temperature at the point of transducer contact? : : : 2. From the drawing, it appears that the liquid will be in the form of a pool on top of a block of solid titanium. Is this the case? If so, will you be able to determine the depth of the liquid with some precision? In order to calculate velocity from pulse transit time, it will be necessary to know the exact depth. : : : --Tom Nelligan : : I agree with Tom-the temperature at the transducer coupling point is necessary first. : : As it concerns the measurement of melted Titanium depth, I came up with idea to measure : : unmelted titanium block length under the bath. The interface between melted/solid titanium : : should give the reflection, which could be used to measure the unmelted titanium length. : : If the measurement is performed from the very begining, when all the titanium is not melted, : : latter measurement can be subtracted from initial one. : : Liquid titanium could change its volume, so the optical measurement can be done from the laser : : beam side. In this case laser beam might be employed to do that. : : One also has to be aware of raising temperature effect on solid titanium ultrasound speed. : : If there is no liquid in the ultrasound path from transducer to melted/solid titanium interface, : : dual wave transducer can be used. Interesting choice are Zinc oxide sputtered transducers. : : If ZnO crystals are sputtered at some agle, such transducer is producing longitudinal and share : : waves at the same time. In such case the temperature effect can be eliminated. It will also : : produce a good acoustical coupling. But... How much of temperature these transducers culd withstand? : : In case the temperature at measurement point is quite low, it couls be the case. : : I believe there should be one more case considered. The bath will be of a hemisphere shape. : : In case wide beam transducer is ised, there will be a distortion in bath bottom depth measurement. : : I think the transducer should be foccused, with focal point located at liquid-gas interface. : : In case there will be penetration of melted bath deeper to titanium block, the position of surface : : might change, so the focal spot length should be under consideration too. : : All said concerns the pulse propagation in the liquid titanium bath measurements. The transit-time : : resonanse, tone-burst phase match and etc techniques can be considered. : : There is one more idea. The ultrasonic beam, after passing the liquid titanium bath, can create : : the waves on the melted titanium surface. By laser interferometry measurements (might be shearography : : can be suitable too), the spatial distance between two peaks can be measured. The wavelength can be : : calculated in such way... : : Linas Svilainis : The cooled coupling plate is planned to make of an AlMg-alloy. : The maximum temperature at the point of transducer contact shall : be about 373 K. At the back site of the titanium plate the : temperature raises to about 873 K, but very localized beneath : the melting bath. The liquid titatium is in fact a pool on top : of the solid titanium, but a pool wandering along the surface. : While the transducer position is fixed beneath the titanium, the : liquid pool moves through the sound field. The method suggested : by Linas for measuring the melting depth should be possible, if the : echos are measurable. The second way for measuring the melting depth : is cutting and polishing the specimen after processing. The position of : transducer and specimen, the track speed and the moment when the : measuring starts are exactly known. In this way it should be possible : to determine the melting depth too. : Steffen Bonss

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