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Nguyen Trong My
Director,
Vietnam Inspection Solutions Co., Ltd, Vietnam, Joined May 2000, 22

Nguyen Trong My

Director,
Vietnam Inspection Solutions Co., Ltd,
Vietnam,
Joined May 2000
22
03:50 Feb-26-2011
NDT of catalyst tubes of Primary reformer

I would appreciate experiences and comments from anybody who has worked with NDT of catalyst tubes of primary reformer used in fertilizer plant: Standards/Codes, methods and techniques, equipment, procedures for sutdown inspection.
The tube material: 25CR35NiNb.Ti; OD/ID: 152/132 mm; distance between the two agent tubes: 250 mm (clear space between the two agent tubes: 100 mm); Length: 12000 mm; working temp: 876 C degrees; working pressure: 34 Bar
Thank you

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Agus Budi Sriyono
Engineering
Freelance, Indonesia, Joined Oct 2007, 2

Agus Budi Sriyono

Engineering
Freelance,
Indonesia,
Joined Oct 2007
2
08:11 Feb-26-2011
Re: NDT of catalyst tubes of Primary reformer
In Reply to Nguyen Trong My at 03:50 Feb-26-2011 (Opening).

This is a comment. Normally we (H2 Reformer Plant) have critical spare parts catalyst tubes stocked at plant's warehouse including spare catalyst itself. When pressure drop across the tubes go up abnormally then operators know that we need to arrange a scheduled (normal) plant shut down for inspection. Certainlay, we will have to replace the catalyst, but firstly we have to find out whether there is a crack in the tube or at its surface by the use of UT and PT. Particularly, if we can see a portion of tube looks like 'bulging'/'swollen'. Problem may arise when catalyst tube and its catalysts are not considered as critical plant spare part to be stocked at plant site.

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Nigel Armstrong
Engineering, - Specialist services
United Kingdom, Joined Oct 2000, 1096

Nigel Armstrong

Engineering, - Specialist services
United Kingdom,
Joined Oct 2000
1096
13:16 Feb-26-2011
Re: NDT of catalyst tubes of Primary reformer
In Reply to Nguyen Trong My at 03:50 Feb-26-2011 (Opening).

For UT weld inspection you will need to train your technician(s) to use TR Longitudinal wave high angle probes specially designed for coarse-grained material such as stainless and Inconel. You will need to have a mock-up of the weld(s) you will be testing made with artificial flaws representative of what you may expect to find in reality as a performance demonstration. Then practice, practice, practice!

The shutdown planning will need to be carefully managed and will depend on what is to be achieved in what period of time. Manage every detail you can so that your technicians are fully supported and have nothing to concern them apart from the inspection schedule.

Good luck

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Rich Roberts
Engineering, Executive Managment
Quest Integrity Group, USA, Joined Nov 1998, 78

Rich Roberts

Engineering, Executive Managment
Quest Integrity Group,
USA,
Joined Nov 1998
78
18:31 Feb-26-2011
Re: NDT of catalyst tubes of Primary reformer
In Reply to Nguyen Trong My at 03:50 Feb-26-2011 (Opening).

Good Day Mr.
Testing of steam reformer tubes made of spun cast alloys is a very challenging exercise. The most prominent damage mechanism to be concerned with is Creep Stain. Creep strain can be detected very early in its life with the right NDE methodology. Micro and Macro cracking will occur, however closer to end of the tube’s life. What’s important is that the NDE methodology being applied to detect early stage creep strain is that 100% of the tubes circumference is tested. NDE techniques which provide less than 100% circumference inspection (i.e. too few sensor and <100% surface coverage) have a high probability of missing the creep damage or underestimating the worst damage. We use combined Creep Stain and Crack Detection sensors in our LOTIS and MANTIS technologies to ensure 100% of the circumference is inspected.
Crack detection technologies such as “conventional” Eddy Current may produce erroneous results due to permeability variations within the spun cast tube material. We have developed a proprietary “cross cancelling permeability” Eddy Current approach which is capable of distinguishing between permeability variations and cracking. This ensures good tubes are not retired early and severely damaged tubes are not left in service.
Please feel free to contact me directly if you would like additional information on either our LOTIS or MANTIS technologies.
Best Regards,
Rich Roberts
Quest Integrity Group

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Brian Shannon
Brian Shannon
16:12 Feb-28-2011
Re: NDT of catalyst tubes of Primary reformer
In Reply to Nguyen Trong My at 03:50 Feb-26-2011 (Opening).

Sir: In response to you inquiry on the assessment of Cast Reformer tubes,I have the following comments. The damage that occurs in these materials is such that no single technique will completely detect and quantify all said damage mechanisms,all the time.
For comprehensive assessment several techniques are employed ( H SCAN, a single scan deployment technology), each designed to measure a specific type and location of damage. The inspection needs to measure early (incepent) voids and micro-cracking,macro-cracking and both creep strain (growth) and remaining wall thickness. The inspection results can be directly used in a software program which uses operating conditions of the furnace (Stresses,tube temperature,cyclic operations) to predict remaining life on each individual tube or tube section.
The approach has been developed over several years research,and successfully deployed worldwide by Plant owners in the Ammonia, Hydrogen and Syngas industries. Please contact me directly for further information. Thank you. Brian Shannon

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S.Senthilkumar
Engineering, QA/QC/NDT
NOV (National Oilwell Varco), Angola, Joined Mar 2006, 42

S.Senthilkumar

Engineering, QA/QC/NDT
NOV (National Oilwell Varco),
Angola,
Joined Mar 2006
42
20:02 Feb-28-2011
Re: NDT of catalyst tubes of Primary reformer
In Reply to Nguyen Trong My at 03:50 Feb-26-2011 (Opening).

1. Visual Testing.

2. What I use to test in same reformer tubes in 1996, UT bubbler and squriter method. using Tran and Recvr Seperate tranceducer Sound path 'W'. Use the fresh tube as a reference and set the gain range max acceptable and scanned in longitudinal scan (Tube divided in 5 segment)

3. Creep test using vernier caliper min/max dia in straight postion and bends.

4. Replica testing.

This was done in one of the fertilizer plant.

S.Senthilkumar

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LALIT MOHAN KOTHARI
Consultant, -
On ..IOCL and BARC(Bhabha Atomic Research Centre).etc, India, Joined Jan 2003, 128

LALIT MOHAN KOTHARI

Consultant, -
On ..IOCL and BARC(Bhabha Atomic Research Centre).etc,
India,
Joined Jan 2003
128
10:48 Mar-01-2011
Re: NDT of catalyst tubes of Primary reformer
In Reply to Nguyen Trong My at 03:50 Feb-26-2011 (Opening).

DEAR NGUYEN,
FOR INSPECTING A TUBE IN IN-SERVICE INSPECTION IS MUST BE
DONE BY JUST GRIP THE TUBE WITH SKIN GLABES AND SENSE THE
SHAPE OF TUBES BESIDES OF OTHER M/C ;S USE

Thanks & regard

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Nguyen Trong My
Director,
Vietnam Inspection Solutions Co., Ltd, Vietnam, Joined May 2000, 22

Nguyen Trong My

Director,
Vietnam Inspection Solutions Co., Ltd,
Vietnam,
Joined May 2000
22
09:44 Mar-03-2011
Re: NDT of catalyst tubes of Primary reformer
In Reply to LALIT MOHAN KOTHARI at 10:48 Mar-01-2011 .

Dear All,
Thank you very much for sharing useful experiences and information.
Best regards,
Nguyen Trong My

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