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Michael Hruska
Michael Hruska
14:31 Oct-22-2015
NDT Level III

I have a question regarding the interpertation of SNT-TC-1A 2011 Edition.
Section 4.3.3
The NDT Level III should have general familiarity with other
appropriate NDT methods, as demonstrated by an ASNT Level IQ Basic examination or other means.The NDT Level III, in the methods in which certified, should be capable of training and examining NDT Level I and II personnel for certification in those methods.
and Section 6.3.2.3
6.3.2.3 Have four years experience beyond the NDT Level II requirements in NDT in an assignment at least comparable to that of an NDT Level III in the applicable NDT method(s).
My appointed Level III is certified in UT and UT only. He has 20+ years experience in all methods. can he write, approve and train Level I and Level II in methods other than UT? We do have a Written Practice.

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Miguel Ángel Díaz
Miguel Ángel Díaz
18:27 Oct-22-2015
Re: NDT Level III
In Reply to Michael Hruska at 14:31 Oct-22-2015 (Opening).

Hello sir.
It is important that any NDT level III, have profound knowledge about other methods address the discontinuities and which method is the best alternative for detecting and evaluating the discomtinuities
The NDT Level III know that NDT methods complement each have their advantages and limitations.
Consequently level 3 must pass a basic examination of non-destructive examinations of general knowledge as an additional examination for level 3. He must also know very well the scope, form and application of practice SNT-TC-1A for purposes of qualifying personnel level 1 or 2 in the technique that will be graded as Level 3.

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Anmol Birring
Consultant,
Birring NDE Center, Inc., USA, Joined Aug 2011, 832

Anmol Birring

Consultant,
Birring NDE Center, Inc.,
USA,
Joined Aug 2011
832
23:36 Oct-23-2015
Re: NDT Level III
In Reply to Michael Hruska at 14:31 Oct-22-2015 (Opening).

Your appointed Level III can conduct training provided the training program is approved by a ASNT NDT Level III in the method as per section 7.1 of SNT-TC-1A (2011)
Your Level III can administer the examinations provided they are prepared by a ASNT Level III in the method and delegated to your Level III as per section 8.1.1 of SNT-TC-1A (2011)
ASNT Level III certification must be current and you must maintain a copy of his certificate and original copy of SNT-TC-1A (2011)

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Virginia
Engineering,
Venezuela, Joined Mar 2015, 1

Virginia

Engineering,
Venezuela,
Joined Mar 2015
1
04:15 Oct-24-2015
Re: NDT Level III
In Reply to Michael Hruska at 14:31 Oct-22-2015 (Opening).

Hello Michael:

It´s my first time writting, and I just offer my humble opinion:

Like Mr. Anmol Birring, I think your Level III can write, approve and train your levels I and II, according to your Written Practice. It is a support of your Quality System.

BUT in the end, It deppends on your client, the place you are offering services because of the regulations, the scope of your services, your company certifications (i.e. ISO 9000). Sometimes in the service contract, the client specifies that your personnel must be qualified by Level III according to the method of NDT.

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jon wallis
NDT Inspector, -
Netherlands, Joined Feb 2010, 626

jon wallis

NDT Inspector, -
Netherlands,
Joined Feb 2010
626
10:47 Oct-24-2015
Re: NDT Level III
In Reply to Virginia at 04:15 Oct-24-2015 .

Maybe I'm missing something here but is the suggestion that a level 3 PT (for example) can train and approve a level 2 UT technician, as long as it's included in the WP?
I fully understand that the WP is not produced from a set of 'shall's' but is written from recommendations but let's be realistic here.
The basic part of the level 3 examination tests you on a basic knowledge in all methods but it's only a few questions per method and doesn't include a practical examination, as far as I'm aware.
I think I - L3 UT, RT, MT, PT, will change my CV and include a thorough knowledge of ET, AE, Thermal Emission, LT and, I'll have to check my training books to find a few other 'exotics' to include.
Any client with the capability to realise what has been written in the WP would surely never accept this.

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Anmol Birring
Consultant,
Birring NDE Center, Inc., USA, Joined Aug 2011, 832

Anmol Birring

Consultant,
Birring NDE Center, Inc.,
USA,
Joined Aug 2011
832
19:03 Oct-24-2015
Re: NDT Level III
In Reply to Virginia at 04:15 Oct-24-2015 .

Virginia, Always a pleasure to hear from first time users. Please continue adding, reviewing and posting. Anmol

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Joe Jarvis
NDT Inspector,
USA, Joined Dec 2011, 4

Joe Jarvis

NDT Inspector,
USA,
Joined Dec 2011
4
18:46 Oct-29-2015
Re: NDT Level III
In Reply to Michael Hruska at 14:31 Oct-22-2015 (Opening).

I think this question is a big one, and has/does cause ample confusion and frustration. Its really multifaceted in that it depends how supplier/client contacts are written. But, if the written practice has to be (because the customer/industry wants it that way) in accordance with SNT-TC-1A, then the clause "in the method in which certified" is king.

To train a Level II in *method*, you need to be Level III in *method*. (Not necessary an ASNT NDT Level III however [unless that too is a provision in the WP, just that its not mandated by SNT-TC-1A])

Now, one could certainly have a WP that the supplier/client both agree on, and as long as it isnt violating any Code or superseding provision or authority, it could be so written that a Pastry Chef could certify, train, and examine a Level II in MT.
This is absurd of course, but the point being that contracts are contracts, and codes and standards are something else.
But again, if one needs to abide by the SNT-TC-1A, must be a Level III in same method.

 
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