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Ed Ginzel
R & D, -
Materials Research Institute, Canada, Joined Nov 1998, 1286

Ed Ginzel

R & D, -
Materials Research Institute,
Canada,
Joined Nov 1998
1286
15:29 Dec-01-2017
CINDE 2017 conference request for papers

I am glad to see that the "2017 NDT in Canada" conference "presentations" are published in the Dec. 2017 edition of NDT.net. NDT.net has been publishing the proceedings of this conference since 2009, yet this is the first year the actual papers (what we consider to be "proceedings") have not been provided.
Powerpoint presentations can be a very effective means of summarising the contents of a technical paper, but it is not a substitute for the actual paper where all the details would be found.
I would request that CINDE provide NDT.net the Word doc version of the papers that most of us uploaded to their events site. In case CINDE has misplaced these files, perhaps the contributors can send in their files to NDT.net so the full paper can be posted along with their slide presentation.

 
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Rolf Diederichs
Director,
NDT.net, Germany, Joined Nov 1998, 609

Rolf Diederichs

Director,
NDT.net,
Germany,
Joined Nov 1998
609
17:23 Dec-03-2017
Re: CINDE 2017 conference request for papers
In Reply to Ed Ginzel at 15:29 Dec-01-2017 (Opening).




Since 2009 the number of full-papers were always less than powerpoints (see the attached graph). Exceptional CINDE's partner conferences in 2009 and 2011 in that mainly full-papers have been submitted. I understand that authors have nowadays not the time for writing a full-paper, however, if authors have submitted papers that should be recognized and published in the proceedings rather than ignored. I contacted CINDE and they promised to send all papers that they received. Not nice that during the first days of publishing, when many people browsing the new month's edition, these full-papers are not available. We will add papers as soon we received them from CINDE or directly from the authors.

Rolf
 
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Ed Ginzel
R & D, -
Materials Research Institute, Canada, Joined Nov 1998, 1286

Ed Ginzel

R & D, -
Materials Research Institute,
Canada,
Joined Nov 1998
1286
18:23 Dec-03-2017
Re: CINDE 2017 conference request for papers
In Reply to Rolf Diederichs at 17:23 Dec-03-2017 .

Thank you for this update Rolf. Perhaps the way in which researched findings presented in conferences are used is something for people to keep in mind. Powerpoint slides are only useful if every slide is meaningful and allows the reader to be able to understand what the speaker was conveying by that slide. However, when you look at many of the presentations, the slides are not conveying what was spoken. This is not just applicable to the CINDE conferences, I see others have also just submitted slides in some cases. A slide can only inform the viewer of a concept if the slide can stand alone as the explanation. I think that if a slide in a conference presentation relies on the speaker's input to understand what was being conveyed, then it is not useful as a record of the conference proceedings. Also, some slides are based on animations and this is not conveyed in a pdf version of the slide.

NDT.net probably provides the highest exposure of NDT research freely available on the internet. You now often find full papers published on NDT.net that are referenced by other researchers.
I myself cannot imagine referencing original research presented in a Powerpoint if I was compiling a list of references for my works. Prior to the convenience of internet publications, printed Proceedings were the only source of "papers" presented. Some of my most valued printed proceedings are the QNDE series managed by Iowa State University (some of these are now available online...but I am proud to hold many of these in the original hardcover). These papers provide documented record of the details of what must be many hundreds of hours of research in some cases.

A high quality paper indicating the details of the work will provide both the author and the conference a means of increased reputation.
I would encourage all future Proceedings submitted to include at least the paper upon which the presentation was based (Powerpoints, animations and videos are nice extras when conveying graphics that are not possible in the paper).

 
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