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Eng.Ahmad
NDT Inspector, ASNT NDT Level III (UT, PT & MT) New Vision for Technical Services GM (www.nevcc.com)
New Vision for Technical services , Jordan, Joined Jan 2007, 38

Eng.Ahmad

NDT Inspector, ASNT NDT Level III (UT, PT & MT) New Vision for Technical Services GM (www.nevcc.com)
New Vision for Technical services ,
Jordan,
Joined Jan 2007
38
01:05 Jan-16-2007
NDT procedures

hi all
i get a level 2 in the following methods 9UT,MT,PT,ET &VT) and iame the first im my company .(no experienced lvel III person that i can develop my knowledge from his knowldge.
so please if any on can help and send me some procedures in any of the above methods that can help me , i work in steam power plants (turbines boilers. tanks....
the most important part of the procedures i serched is the accept /reject criteria

than you very much
i would like to get fast responed


    
 
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Godfrey Hands
Consultant,
PRI Nadcap, United Kingdom, Joined Nov 1998, 298

Godfrey Hands

Consultant,
PRI Nadcap,
United Kingdom,
Joined Nov 1998
298
05:23 Jan-17-2007
Re: NDT procedures
----------- Start Original Message -----------
: hi all
: i get a level 2 in the following methods 9UT,MT,PT,ET &VT) and iame the first im my company .(no experienced lvel III person that i can develop my knowledge from his knowldge.
: so please if any on can help and send me some procedures in any of the above methods that can help me , i work in steam power plants (turbines boilers. tanks....
: the most important part of the procedures i serched is the accept /reject criteria
: than you very much
: i would like to get fast responed
------------ End Original Message ------------

Dear Ahmad,
As a level II you are not expected to carry this responsibility yourself.
You are also not qualified to carry this responsibility, and if you make any mistakes, then you may find yourself liable to prosecution for taking unqualified decisions.
This is the responsibility of a Level III, and if your company does not have a level III, then they must get Level III services from an outside agency until you have the necessary qualifications and experience to carry this responsibility yourself.

I suggest that you look at SNT-TC-1A to see the responsibilities of the different levels of qualification.

If your company is operating NDT within SNT-TC-1A, they are obliged to have their own procedure, which can be based on the guidelines written in SNT-TC-1A, but this must define the Level III as the person with overall responsibility.

There are many external Level III persons that you can call upon to provide these services.

Hoping that you understand the difficult situation that you may be getting yourself into.

Regards,

Godfrey Hands



    
 
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Eng.Ahmad
NDT Inspector, ASNT NDT Level III (UT, PT & MT) New Vision for Technical Services GM (www.nevcc.com)
New Vision for Technical services , Jordan, Joined Jan 2007, 38

Eng.Ahmad

NDT Inspector, ASNT NDT Level III (UT, PT & MT) New Vision for Technical Services GM (www.nevcc.com)
New Vision for Technical services ,
Jordan,
Joined Jan 2007
38
09:56 Jan-17-2007
Re: NDT procedures
----------- Start Original Message -----------
: : hi all
: : i get a level 2 in the following methods 9UT,MT,PT,ET &VT) and iame the first im my company .(no experienced lvel III person that i can develop my knowledge from his knowldge.
: : so please if any on can help and send me some procedures in any of the above methods that can help me , i work in steam power plants (turbines boilers. tanks....
: : the most important part of the procedures i serched is the accept /reject criteria
: : than you very much
: : i would like to get fast responed
: Dear Ahmad,
: As a level II you are not expected to carry this responsibility yourself.
: You are also not qualified to carry this responsibility, and if you make any mistakes, then you may find yourself liable to prosecution for taking unqualified decisions.
: This is the responsibility of a Level III, and if your company does not have a level III, then they must get Level III services from an outside agency until you have the necessary qualifications and experience to carry this responsibility yourself.
: I suggest that you look at SNT-TC-1A to see the responsibilities of the different levels of qualification.
: If your company is operating NDT within SNT-TC-1A, they are obliged to have their own procedure, which can be based on the guidelines written in SNT-TC-1A, but this must define the Level III as the person with overall responsibility.
: There are many external Level III persons that you can call upon to provide these services.
: Hoping that you understand the difficult situation that you may be getting yourself into.
: Regards,
: Godfrey Hands
------------ End Original Message ------------

hi thank you realy very much about your advice i know that the situation and responsibility is high. but we work only for our company and dont do any jobs for others and we dont work as a thired party.

i try to develope my knowledge and to do the best jobs.
i could self learned (learining by my self )in vibration analysis and purchase a software and i did analysis and dignose many problems in good way using a humble software
now i have under tender a complete machine vibration monitoring system.

so i would like to have good knowledge in my job and develop my work cuz iam the responisible in the inspection field
the most i would like to have is the accept reject criterias

thank you very much


    
 
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David
David
01:25 Jan-18-2007
Re: NDT procedures
----------- Start Original Message -----------
: hi all
: i get a level 2 in the following methods 9UT,MT,PT,ET &VT) and iame the first im my company .(no experienced lvel III person that i can develop my knowledge from his knowldge.
: so please if any on can help and send me some procedures in any of the above methods that can help me , i work in steam power plants (turbines boilers. tanks....
: the most important part of the procedures i serched is the accept /reject criteria
: than you very much
: i would like to get fast responed
------------ End Original Message ------------

Dear Ahmad,
You are talking about working on major plant. These should be operated under some form of government license, for that the operators should have their own requirements for in service inspection and new build.
The acceptance standards will depend on which code they were built to, e.g. ASME VIII.
For large steam power plant the consequences of failure can be enormous so you need the benefit of previous experience to set up and interpret inspection procedures.
Don't get yourself backed into a corner, talk to the plant operators they should have all of these in place as part of their license to operate.
You cannot just allocate procedures and acceptance standards without knowledge of the design codes and operating conditions.


    
 
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Khaja
Khaja
04:42 Feb-10-2007
Re: NDT procedures
----------- Start Original Message -----------
: : : hi all
: : : i get a level 2 in the following methods 9UT,MT,PT,ET &VT) and iame the first im my company .(no experienced lvel III person that i can develop my knowledge from his knowldge.
: : : so please if any on can help and send me some procedures in any of the above methods that can help me , i work in steam power plants (turbines boilers. tanks....
: : : the most important part of the procedures i serched is the accept /reject criteria
: : : than you very much
: : : i would like to get fast responed
: : Dear Ahmad,
: : As a level II you are not expected to carry this responsibility yourself.
: : You are also not qualified to carry this responsibility, and if you make any mistakes, then you may find yourself liable to prosecution for taking unqualified decisions.
: : This is the responsibility of a Level III, and if your company does not have a level III, then they must get Level III services from an outside agency until you have the necessary qualifications and experience to carry this responsibility yourself.
: : I suggest that you look at SNT-TC-1A to see the responsibilities of the different levels of qualification.
: : If your company is operating NDT within SNT-TC-1A, they are obliged to have their own procedure, which can be based on the guidelines written in SNT-TC-1A, but this must define the Level III as the person with overall responsibility.
: : There are many external Level III persons that you can call upon to provide these services.
: : Hoping that you understand the difficult situation that you may be getting yourself into.
: : Regards,
: : Godfrey Hands
: hi thank you realy very much about your advice i know that the situation and responsibility is high. but we work only for our company and dont do any jobs for others and we dont work as a thired party.
: i try to develope my knowledge and to do the best jobs.
: i could self learned (learining by my self )in vibration analysis and purchase a software and i did analysis and dignose many problems in good way using a humble software
: now i have under tender a complete machine vibration monitoring system.
: so i would like to have good knowledge in my job and develop my work cuz iam the responisible in the inspection field
: the most i would like to have is the accept reject criterias
: thank you very much
------------ End Original Message ------------
Dear Ahmad,

If products for which you wanted make procedures is going to be used anywhere associated with public, industrial or any other application, you should follow SNT-TC-1A. Common man do take that responsibility!!!!!
regards
Khaja




    
 
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Nigel Armstrong
Engineering, - Specialist services
United Kingdom, Joined Oct 2000, 1096

Nigel Armstrong

Engineering, - Specialist services
United Kingdom,
Joined Oct 2000
1096
08:35 Feb-10-2007
Re: NDT procedures
Engineer Ahmad

You need to talk to some people within the company you work for. You say that there is no Level III, nothing rare about that, the expertise of the Level II for deciding which particular technique within a contracted method is used is relatively common practise within certain industries. However without a contractually-stipulated and documented accept/reject criteria all you can do is report your chosen inspection technique and your findings - you should not make any statement about the acceptability of any item until you have a definite accept/reject criteria. When you accept an item you are saying that at the time of test it is fit for service and that no deleterious defects exist. OK if you find nothing, but what happens when there is an obvious indication? Are there any accompanying drawings - perhaps they may contain a statement concerning tolerable flaw sizes.

Further, you should be talking with management within your company about this. First your line manager, as you are an inspector presumably that would be the QA/QC Manager. You say you work in steam power plants and all the work is for your own company - is that utilities? If so there may be industry acceptance norms - ask the QA Manager to give you signed written instructions, which you keep. If that person is unhelpful go further, even go up to the Chief Executive - that person has overall responsibility. If you are testing items now without any knowledge of the acceptance criteria, my advice to you would be to reject any item with any visible relevant indication in it and allow someone else the privilege of sorting out whether it is fit for service or not.

One thing I can tell you definitely Ahmad, it does not matter how often you ask for acceptance/rejection criteria, nobody on this forum will supply you with such as nobody has the detailed knowledge necessary to stipulate such. Even if they do say something - isolated embedded pores less than 3mm diameter are acceptable for instance - would you feel happy taking that information from somebody you know nothing about as being a reliable and legally-binding accept/reject criteria.

Sure you want to learn, most of us do, sure its nice to have all the documents without having to go hunting for them, but if its not working out like that then the onus is on you and I would advise you to heed Godfrey's words and not take on responsibilities that are not yours. Let upper management guide you - you can tell them the capabilities and limitations of all the methods and techniques, but have them put the acceptance/rejection criteria in writing.

Though you do not have obvious customers there are other bodies such as regulators, government departments who will want to know on what authority you deemed an item or a weld or a turbine to be acceptable or rejectable.

As far as learning goes, search the Web for free, ask your company to buy the ASTM handbook of NDT procedures, buy related books (try ebay and Amazon for second-hand books), ask your company to put you on further courses.

Good luck in your career.

Hope this helps


----------- Start Original Message -----------
: : : : hi all
: : : : i get a level 2 in the following methods 9UT,MT,PT,ET &VT) and iame the first im my company .(no experienced lvel III person that i can develop my knowledge from his knowldge.
: : : : so please if any on can help and send me some procedures in any of the above methods that can help me , i work in steam power plants (turbines boilers. tanks....
: : : : the most important part of the procedures i serched is the accept /reject criteria
: : : : than you very much
: : : : i would like to get fast responed
: : : Dear Ahmad,
: : : As a level II you are not expected to carry this responsibility yourself.
: : : You are also not qualified to carry this responsibility, and if you make any mistakes, then you may find yourself liable to prosecution for taking unqualified decisions.
: : : This is the responsibility of a Level III, and if your company does not have a level III, then they must get Level III services from an outside agency until you have the necessary qualifications and experience to carry this responsibility yourself.
: : : I suggest that you look at SNT-TC-1A to see the responsibilities of the different levels of qualification.
: : : If your company is operating NDT within SNT-TC-1A, they are obliged to have their own procedure, which can be based on the guidelines written in SNT-TC-1A, but this must define the Level III as the person with overall responsibility.
: : : There are many external Level III persons that you can call upon to provide these services.
: : : Hoping that you understand the difficult situation that you may be getting yourself into.
: : : Regards,
: : : Godfrey Hands
: : hi thank you realy very much about your advice i know that the situation and responsibility is high. but we work only for our company and dont do any jobs for others and we dont work as a thired party.
: : i try to develope my knowledge and to do the best jobs.
: : i could self learned (learining by my self )in vibration analysis and purchase a software and i did analysis and dignose many problems in good way using a humble software
: : now i have under tender a complete machine vibration monitoring system.
: : so i would like to have good knowledge in my job and develop my work cuz iam the responisible in the inspection field
: : the most i would like to have is the accept reject criterias
: : thank you very much
: Dear Ahmad,
: If products for which you wanted make procedures is going to be used anywhere associated with public, industrial or any other application, you should follow SNT-TC-1A. Common man do take that responsibility!!!!!
: regards
: Khaja
------------ End Original Message ------------




    
 
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eng, ahamd
NDT Inspector, ASNT NDT Level III (UT, PT & MT) New Vision for Technical Services GM (www.nevcc.com)
New Vision for Technical services , Jordan, Joined Jan 2007, 38

eng, ahamd

NDT Inspector, ASNT NDT Level III (UT, PT & MT) New Vision for Technical Services GM (www.nevcc.com)
New Vision for Technical services ,
Jordan,
Joined Jan 2007
38
07:18 Feb-13-2007
Re: NDT procedures
----------- Start Original Message ---------


--
: : : : hi all
: : : : i get a level 2 in the following methods 9UT,MT,PT,ET &VT) and iame the first im my company .(no experienced lvel III person that i can develop my knowledge from his knowldge.
: : : : so please if any on can help and send me some procedures in any of the above methods that can help me , i work in steam power plants (turbines boilers. tanks....
: : : : the most important part of the procedures i serched is the accept /reject criteria
: : : : than you very much
: : : : i would like to get fast responed
: : : Dear Ahmad,
: : : As a level II you are not expected to carry this responsibility yourself.
: : : You are also not qualified to carry this responsibility, and if you make any mistakes, then you may find yourself liable to prosecution for taking unqualified decisions.
: : : This is the responsibility of a Level III, and if your company does not have a level III, then they must get Level III servicesfrom an outside agency until you have the necessary qualifications and experience to carry this responsibility yourself.
: : : I suggest that you look at SNT-TC-1A to see the responsibilities of the different levels of qualification.
: : : If your company is operating NDT within SNT-TC-1A, they are obliged to have their own procedure, which can be based on the guidelines written in SNT-TC-1A, but this must define the Level III as the person with overall responsibility.
: : : There are many external Level III persons that you can call upon to provide these services.
: : : Hoping that you understand the difficult situation that you may be getting yourself into.
: : : Regards,
: : : Godfrey Hands
: : hi thank you realy very much about your advice i know that the situation and responsibility is high. but we work only for our company and dont do any jobs for others and we dont work as a thired party.
: : i try to develope my knowledge and to do the best jobs.
: : i could self learned (learining by my self )in vibration analysis and purchase a software and i did analysis and dignose many problems in good way using a humble software
: : now i have under tender a complete machine vibration monitoring system.
: : so i would like to have good knowledge in my job and develop my work cuz iam the responisible in the inspection field
: : the most i would like to have is the accept reject criterias
: : thank you very much
: Dear Ahmad,
: If products for which you wanted make procedures is going to be used anywhere associated with public, industrial or any other application, you should follow SNT-TC-1A. Common man do take that responsibility!!!!!
: regards
: Khaja
------------ End Original Message ------------


Hi friends
raly thank you very much about your advice
i will mesaage ASME for NDT procedures

thank oyu again



    
 
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