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jhu
NDT Inspector, -
USA, Joined Mar 2008, 4

jhu

NDT Inspector, -
USA,
Joined Mar 2008
4
02:51 Mar-27-2008
Hours for certification

There is a gentleman who has 17 yrs of NDT experience in the military. How can I Prove his experience and/or do i need anything more than his dischare DD214 which shows he has 17 yrs as a NDI craftsman.


    
 
 
bob sudharmin
Engineering, Reliability and Integrity Eng
Shell Malaysia Trading, Malaysia, Joined Jan 2008, 54

bob sudharmin

Engineering, Reliability and Integrity Eng
Shell Malaysia Trading,
Malaysia,
Joined Jan 2008
54
05:17 Mar-27-2008
Re: Hours for certification
Almost everybody claims they know everything based on the nos of years they are in the field. For all I know, he might be doing nothing for the last 17 years even though he is titled as a NDI craftsman. But to be fair, why dont you test him. From my personal point of view, ex military technical personnels do have sound knowledge.
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: There is a gentleman who has 17 yrs of NDT experience in the military. How can I Prove his experience and/or do i need anything more than his dischare DD214 which shows he has 17 yrs as a NDI craftsman.
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Michel
NDT Inspector,
consultant, Canada, Joined Sep 2006, 829

Michel

NDT Inspector,
consultant,
Canada,
Joined Sep 2006
829
07:17 Mar-27-2008
Re: Hours for certification
Bob,

I understand your situation, although not familiar with certification requirements of ASNT or other countries. In Canada, our military personnel must obtain their CGSB certification (national Certification) in order to get their military certification.

But as mentioned previously, the best way to be sure is to test him to your requirements. Now to be fair, I must say, that technician will have different expertise based on the sector that they are working. Despite what some believe, I don't think that because you are a Level 2 in a technique that you know everything.

Cheerios,

Michel
----------- Start Original Message -----------
: Almost everybody claims they know everything based on the nos of years they are in the field. For all I know, he might be doing nothing for the last 17 years even though he is titled as a NDI craftsman. But to be fair, why dont you test him. From my personal point of view, ex military technical personnels do have sound knowledge.
: : There is a gentleman who has 17 yrs of NDT experience in the military. How can I Prove his experience and/or do i need anything more than his dischare DD214 which shows he has 17 yrs as a NDI craftsman.
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jhu
NDT Inspector, -
USA, Joined Mar 2008, 4

jhu

NDT Inspector, -
USA,
Joined Mar 2008
4
01:29 Mar-27-2008
Re: Hours for certification

i totally agree with both, but in this case i know the man in question. He was MY trainer in the AF. so i know what he is capable of.----------- Start Original Message -----------
: Bob,
: I understand your situation, although not familiar with certification requirements of ASNT or other countries. In Canada, our military personnel must obtain their CGSB certification (national Certification) in order to get their military certification.
: But as mentioned previously, the best way to be sure is to test him to your requirements. Now to be fair, I must say, that technician will have different expertise based on the sector that they are working. Despite what some believe, I don't think that because you are a Level 2 in a technique that you know everything.
: Cheerios,
: Michel
: : Almost everybody claims they know everything based on the nos of years they are in the field. For all I know, he might be doing nothing for the last 17 years even though he is titled as a NDI craftsman. Butto be fair, why dont you test him. From my personal point of view, ex military technical personnels do have sound knowledge.
: : : There is a gentleman who has 17 yrs of NDT experience in the military. How can I Prove his experience and/or do i need anything more than his dischare DD214 which shows he has 17 yrs as a NDI craftsman.
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jhu
NDT Inspector, -
USA, Joined Mar 2008, 4

jhu

NDT Inspector, -
USA,
Joined Mar 2008
4
01:33 Mar-27-2008
Re: Hours for certification
----------- Start Original Message -----------
: Almost everybody claims they know everything based on the nos of years they are in the field. For all I know, he might be doing nothing for the last 17 years even though he is titled as a NDI craftsman. But to be fair, why dont you test him. From my personal point of view, ex military technical personnels do have sound knowledge.
: : There is a gentleman who has 17 yrs of NDT experience in the military. How can I Prove his experience and/or do i need anything more than his dischare DD214 which shows he has 17 yrs as a NDI craftsman.
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i agree with what you are saying. However in this case i happen to know the man. he was my trainer in the air force.


    
 
 
Roberto Falconio
Engineering, NDT/Metrology SUPERVISOR
El Salvador, Joined Feb 2000, 13

Roberto Falconio

Engineering, NDT/Metrology SUPERVISOR
El Salvador,
Joined Feb 2000
13
04:28 Mar-28-2008
Re: Hours for certification
HI perhaps that helps,
we had a case at our facility in which milatry personnel was hired to help with the X rays inspection so in order to prove they have te require hours as our WP specify, we take all they report and work orders and we tried to estimate according to the type of job the number of hours they need to perform a specific task, after that we request them to have a way to record the number of ours and to transpose ebverything in there, is a simple form in wich there are several fields such as Job description, hours accomplished, accumulated hours, date performed, and a signature of verification from their supervisor.
It works pretty fine cause we reach to document everything.
hope that helps
Best reagrds
----------- Start Original Message -----------
: Bob,
: I understand your situation, although not familiar with certification requirements of ASNT or other countries. In Canada, our military personnel must obtain their CGSB certification (national Certification) in order to get their military certification.
: But as mentioned previously, the best way to be sure is to test him to your requirements. Now to be fair, I must say, that technician will have different expertise based on the sector that they are working. Despite what some believe, I don't think that because you are a Level 2 in a technique that you know everything.
: Cheerios,
: Michel
: : Almost everybody claims they know everything based on the nos of years they are in the field. For all I know, he might be doing nothing for the last 17 years even though he is titled as a NDI craftsman. But to be fair, why dont you test him. From my personal point of view, ex military technical personnels do have sound knowledge.
: : : There is a gentleman who has 17 yrs of NDT experience in the military. How can I Prove his experience and/or do i need anything more than his dischare DD214 which shows he has 17 yrs as a NDI craftsman.
------------ End Original Message ------------




    
 
 
Nigel Armstrong
Engineering, - Specialist services
United Kingdom, Joined Oct 2000, 1096

Nigel Armstrong

Engineering, - Specialist services
United Kingdom,
Joined Oct 2000
1096
05:49 Mar-28-2008
Re: Hours for certification
jhu

You keep repeating that you know this man - that is fine if you want your wife or a friend to trust him. However, we are dealing with a professional situation and personal knowledge does not apply. You apply the same criteria to one potential inspector as you do to the next without any favouritism or by-passing of the criteria. Forget your knowledge of the man - if somebody unknown to you submits a CV stating 17 years of NDE experience what criteria would you apply to them in your professional capacity to determine their suitability for certification? However you reply is exactly how treat this man. Only consistency of action and the ability to rationally defend such action are acceptable.

Take the personal out of this issue. what if in years to come you leave the company, this man stays and in future years an auditor decides to query the basis of the award of his certification - who will then say "Oh its OK he is a friend of mine"

----------- Start Original Message -----------
:
: i totally agree with both, but in this case i know the man in question. He was MY trainer in the AF. so i know what he is capable of.----------- Start Original Message -----------
: : Bob,
: : I understand your situation, although not familiar with certification requirements of ASNT or other countries. In Canada, our military personnel must obtain their CGSB certification (national Certification) in order to get their military certification.
: : But as mentioned previously, the best way to be sure is to test him to your requirements. Now to be fair, I must say, that technician will have different expertise based on the sector that they are working. Despite what some believe, I don't think that because you are a Level 2 in a technique that you know everything.
: : Cheerios,
: : Michel
: : : Almost everybody claims they know everything based on the nos of years they are in the field. For all I know, he might be doing nothing for the last 17 years even though he is titled as a NDI craftsman. But to be fair, why dont you test him. From my personal point of view, ex military technical personnels do have sound knowledge.
: : : : There is a gentleman who has 17 yrs of NDT experience in the military. How can I Prove his experience and/or do i need anything more than his dischare DD214 which shows he has 17 yrs as a NDI craftsman.
------------ End Original Message ------------




    
 
 
Michel
NDT Inspector,
consultant, Canada, Joined Sep 2006, 829

Michel

NDT Inspector,
consultant,
Canada,
Joined Sep 2006
829
06:15 Mar-30-2008
Re: Hours for certification
Nigel,

I totally agree with your response. I also have come across people who have certification, but do not work in the sector on a regular basis. This can happen when your company is suddenly overwork and call in for contractor to come lend a hand. I know some of those guys and I know they are knowledgeable, but they are not quit up to snuff with what you're doing.

I think the best way to solve the problem is the way lots of company operate. Have the gentleman do the ASNT TC-1A exam after spending the appropriate probationary time with the company. This will remove all doubt and document everything.

Cheerios,
Michel

----------- Start Original Message -----------
: jhu
: You keep repeating that you know this man - that is fine if you want your wife or a friend to trust him. However, we are dealing with a professional situation and personal knowledge does not apply. You apply the same criteria to one potential inspector as you do to the next without any favouritism or by-passing of thecriteria. Forget your knowledge of the man - if somebody unknown to you submits a CV stating 17 years of NDE experience what criteria would you apply to them in your professional capacity to determine their suitability for certification? However you reply is exactly how treat this man. Only consistency of action and the ability to rationally defend such action are acceptable.
: Take the personal out of this issue. what if in years to come you leave the company, this man stays and in future years an auditor decides to query the basis of the award of his certification - who will then say "Oh its OK he is a friend of mine"
: :
: : i totally agree with both, but in this case i know the man in question. He was MY trainer in the AF. so i know what he is capable of.----------- Start Original Message -----------
: : : Bob,
: : : I understand your situation, although not familiar with certification requirements of ASNT or other countries. In Canada, our military personnel must obtain their CGSB certification (national Certification) in order to get their military certification.
: : : But as mentioned previously, the best way to be sure is to test him to your requirements. Now to be fair, I must say, that technician will have different expertise based on the sector that they are working. Despite what some believe, I don't think that because you are a Level 2 in a technique that you know everything.
: : : Cheerios,
: : : Michel
: : : : Almost everybody claims they know everything based on the nos of years they are in the field. For all I know, he might be doing nothing for the last 17 years even though he is titled as a NDI craftsman. But to be fair, why dont you test him. From my personal point of view, ex military technical personnels do have sound knowledge.
: : : : : There is a gentleman who has 17 yrs of NDT experience in the military. How can I Prove his experience and/or do i need anything more than his dischare DD214 which shows he has 17 yrs as a NDI craftsman.
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Bill Kiesel
Bill Kiesel
02:26 Mar-31-2008
Re: Hours for certification
----------- Start Original Message -----------
: There is a gentleman who has 17 yrs of NDT experience in the military. How can I Prove his experience and/or do i need anything more than his dischare DD214 which shows he has 17 yrs as a NDI craftsman.
------------ End Original Message ------------

A few items to consider when evaluating military experience are, does the DD214 list more than one MOS. It is possable to do more than one job in 17 years of military. How long has it been since he did hands on NDT, most technicians move up in rank and go on to other duties such as personnel supervision. It is ok to ask for a reference from another military person that worked with him, try to get a command grade officer and ask specific questions about hands on work experence. You should document your findings in a manner that allows easy interpretation so it can be viewed by a auditor with minimum questions.


    
 
 
jhu
NDT Inspector, -
USA, Joined Mar 2008, 4

jhu

NDT Inspector, -
USA,
Joined Mar 2008
4
00:21 Apr-11-2008
Re: Hours for certification
-that is very true, thanks for the insight

---------- Start Original Message -----------
: jhu
: You keep repeating that you know this man - that is fine if you want your wife or a friend to trust him. However, we are dealing with a professional situation and personal knowledge does not apply. You apply the same criteria to one potential inspector as you do to the next without any favouritism or by-passing of the criteria. Forget your knowledge of the man - if somebody unknown to you submits a CV stating 17 years of NDE experience what criteria would you apply to them in your professional capacity to determine their suitability for certification? However you reply is exactly how treat this man. Only consistency of action and the ability to rationally defend such action are acceptable.
: Take the personal out of this issue. what if in years to come you leave the company, this man stays and in future years an auditor decides to query the basis of the award of his certification - who will then say "Oh its OK he is a friend of mine"
: :
: : i totally agree with both, but in this case i know the man in question. He was MY trainer in the AF. so i know what he is capable of.----------- Start Original Message -----------
: : : Bob,
: : : I understand your situation, although not familiar with certification requirements of ASNT or other countries. In Canada, our military personnel must obtain their CGSB certification (national Certification) in order to get their military certification.
: : : But as mentioned previously, the best way to be sure is to test him to your requirements. Now to be fair, I must say, that technician will have different expertise based on the sector that they are working. Despite what some believe, I don't think that because you are a Level 2 in a technique that you know everything.
: : : Cheerios,
: : : Michel
: : : : Almost everybody claims they know everything based on the nos of years they are in the field. For all I know, he might be doing nothing forthe last 17 years even though he is titled as a NDI craftsman. But to be fair, why dont you test him. From my personal point of view, ex military technical personnels do have sound knowledge.
: : : : : There is a gentleman who has 17 yrs of NDT experience in the military. How can I Prove his experience and/or do i need anything more than his dischare DD214 which shows he has 17 yrs as a NDI craftsman.
------------ End Original Message ------------




    
 
 

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