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03:39 Dec-21-2008
adam
ndt qualification???

my name is adam i'm 21 and thinking of starting a career in the NDT buisness, i am looking to achive qualifications from dye pen, mpi, radiography and ultrasonic.
my problem is i've seen 2 different type's of the same qualification (PCN and ASNT) and i don't know the difference therefore dnt no which qualification to go for.
if anyone could reply and actually tell me the difference and or the benefits between them i would be gratefull.


 
09:59 Dec-21-2008

Michel Couture

NDT Inspector,
consultant,
Canada,
Joined Sep 2006
813
Re: ndt qualification??? Hi Adam,

I think it would help if we knew where you live. But in a nutshell, PCN stands for Personal Cerification in NDT, it is a Europeen Certification and is recognised world wide. ASNT stands for American Society of Non-destructive Testing, so as the name imply American, also recognised world wide. To obtain any Certification, you have to meet their requirements on education and time in the trade (apprentiship). Once you write and pass their exam, you will be certified in the method that you were seeking certification in.

A slight difference with ASNT is that there are two different type of Certification. One is the ACCP where you attend some approuved course, you go thru your apprentiship and then will write a Certification exam from the governing body (ie. ASNT). The other type of ASNT Certification is called the TC-1A Practice where you get your approuved course, go thru your apprentiship and write your Certification exam that is provided by your employer or the client of your employer. The draw back with the TC-1A is that if you loose your employment, you also loose your Certification. I believe that any Certification program that is recognised by a National body is a good one. It really depend on where you want to work and what you want to do with your life.

Good luck,

Michel

----------- Start Original Message -----------
: my name is adam i'm 21 and thinking of starting a career in the NDT buisness, i am looking to achive qualifications from dye pen, mpi, radiography and ultrasonic.
: my problem is i've seen 2 different type's of the same qualification (PCN and ASNT) and i don't know the difference therefore dnt no which qualification to go for.
: if anyone could reply and actually tell me the difference and or the benefits between them i would be gratefull.
------------ End Original Message ------------




 
05:10 Dec-22-2008

Nigel Armstrong

Engineering, - Specialist services
United Kingdom,
Joined Oct 2000
1094
Re: ndt qualification??? Adam

Michel has made clear the eseential differneces in the two best-known certification schemes - central-certification versus employer-based, so I dont want add to that.

You tell us nothing about yourself apart from your first name and age. However if its a long term career offering interest and insight into modern industrial world then NDT has excellent potential. there are many different process streams which need deiffering uses of both intrusive and non-intrusive inspections. From your email address you could be UK based in which case the proposed nuclear power plant construction programme would offer you excellent opportiunity.

My advice is to hone your web research skills so that you can arm yourself with as much information as you can digest before thinking about certification - if you are keen then the certification will come in a form appropriate to the demands of the sector withhin which you work.

I dont want to over-elaborate so I'll just wish you good luck.

----------- Start Original Message -----------
: Hi Adam,
: I think it would help if we knew where you live. But in a nutshell, PCN stands for Personal Cerification in NDT, it is a Europeen Certification and is recognised world wide. ASNT stands for American Society of Non-destructive Testing, so as the name imply American, also recognised world wide. To obtain any Certification, you have to meet their requirements on education and time in the trade (apprentiship). Once you write and pass their exam, you will be certified in the method that you were seeking certification in.
: A slight difference with ASNT is that there are two different type of Certification. One is the ACCP where you attend some approuved course, you go thru your apprentiship and then will write a Certification exam from the governing body (ie. ASNT). The other type of ASNT Certification is called the TC-1A Practice where you get your approuved course, go thru your apprentiship and write your Certification exam that is provided by your employer or the client of your employer. The draw back with the TC-1A is that if you loose your employment, you also loose your Certification. I believe that any Certification program that is recognised by a National body is a good one. It really depend on where you want to work and what you want to do with your life.
: Good luck,
: Michel
: : my name is adam i'm 21 and thinking of starting a career in the NDT buisness, i am looking to achive qualifications from dye pen, mpi, radiography and ultrasonic.
: : my problem is i've seen 2 different type's of the same qualification (PCN and ASNT) and i don't know the difference therefore dnt no which qualification to go for.
: : if anyone could reply and actually tell me the difference and or the benefits between them i would be gratefull.
------------ End Original Message ------------




 
08:25 Dec-23-2008
adam
Re: ndt qualification??? thank you for your feedback.
i am 21 from the north east of england, i am a painter by trade but wanting a change of career and am very interested in testing.
I have been looking around the internet for private courses bt am still unsure on the qualifications needed from an employer for a general tester.

I have been thinking of taking the courses below and if anyone could tell me if there is anything else needed for a basic tester looking for active work in the uk or abroad:

Liquid Penetrant Inspection Course. Combined Level 1 & 2
Magnetic Particle Inspection Course. Combined Level 1 & 2

Radiographic Course. Level 1 or Level 2

Basic Radiation Safety Course

the courses are from a company with a Authorised Qualifying Body of the PCN scheme

i would like to know if the courses above would be sufficient enough to gain employment as a basic ndt tester??

thank you for any help and im sorry if there isnt much information for anyone to go on as im still researching the subject myself.
----------- Start Original Message -----------
: Adam
: Michel has made clear the eseential differneces in the two best-known certification schemes - central-certification versus employer-based, so I dont want add to that.
: You tell us nothing about yourself apart from your first name and age. However if its a long term career offering interest and insight into modern industrial world then NDT has excellent potential. there are many different process streams which need deiffering uses of both intrusive and non-intrusive inspections. From your email address you could be UK based in which case the proposed nuclear power plant construction programme would offer you excellent opportiunity.
: My advice is to hone your web research skills so that you can arm yourself with as much information as you can digest before thinking about certification - if you are keen then the certification will come in a form appropriate to the demands of the sector withhin which you work.
: I dont want to over-elaborate so I'll just wish you good luck.
: : Hi Adam,
: : I think it would help if we knew where you live. But in a nutshell, PCN stands for Personal Cerification in NDT, it is a Europeen Certification and is recognised world wide. ASNT stands for American Society of Non-destructive Testing, so as the name imply American, also recognised world wide. To obtain any Certification, you have to meet their requirements on education and time in the trade (apprentiship). Once you write and pass their exam, you will be certified in the method that you were seeking certification in.
: : A slight difference with ASNT is that there are two different type of Certification. One is the ACCP where you attend some approuved course, you go thru your apprentiship and then will write a Certification exam from the governing body (ie. ASNT). The other type of ASNT Certification is called the TC-1A Practice where you get your approuved course, go thru your apprentiship and write your Certification exam that is provided by your employer or the client of your employer. The draw back with the TC-1A is that if you loose your employment, you also loose your Certification. I believe that any Certification program that is recognised by a National body is a good one. It really depend on where you want to work and what you want to do with your life.
: : Good luck,
: : Michel
: : : my name is adam i'm 21 and thinking of starting a career in the NDT buisness, i am looking to achive qualifications from dye pen, mpi, radiography and ultrasonic.
: : : my problem is i've seen 2 different type's of the same qualification (PCN and ASNT) and i don't know the difference therefore dnt no which qualification to go for.
: : : if anyone could reply and actually tell me the difference and or the benefits between them i would be gratefull.
------------ End Original Message ------------




 
05:30 Dec-23-2008

Michel Couture

NDT Inspector,
consultant,
Canada,
Joined Sep 2006
813
Re: ndt qualification??? Adam,

Looks to me like you're on the right track. Sorry I can't be more precise because I live in Canada and the process for certification maybe a little different and I don't know aboutt he British employment market. Maybe Nigel would be able to answer this one. In any case welcome to the trade and good luck.

Cheerio's
Michel

----------- Start Original Message -----------
: thank you for your feedback.
: i am 21 from the north east of england, i am a painter by trade but wanting a change of career and am very interested in testing.
: I have been looking around the internet for private courses bt am still unsure on the qualifications needed from an employer for a general tester.
: I have been thinking of taking the courses below and if anyone could tell me if there is anything else needed for a basic tester looking for active work in the uk or abroad:
: Liquid Penetrant Inspection Course. Combined Level 1 & 2
: Magnetic Particle Inspection Course. Combined Level 1 & 2
: Radiographic Course. Level 1 or Level 2
: Basic Radiation Safety Course
: the courses are from a company with a Authorised Qualifying Body of the PCN scheme
: i would like to know if the courses above would be sufficient enough to gain employment as a basic ndt tester??
: thank you for any help and im sorry if there isnt much information for anyone to go on as im still researching the subject myself.
: : Adam
: : Michel has made clear the eseential differneces in the two best-known certification schemes - central-certification versus employer-based, so I dont want add to that.
: : You tell us nothing about yourself apart from your first name and age. However if its a long term career offering interest and insight into modern industrial world then NDT has excellent potential. there are many different process streams which need deiffering uses of both intrusive and non-intrusive inspections. From your email address you could be UK based in which case the proposed nuclear power plant construction programme would offer you excellent opportiunity.
: : My advice is to hone your web research skills so that you can arm yourself with as much information as you can digest before thinking about certification - if you are keen then the certification will come in a form appropriate to the demands of the sector withhin which you work.
: : I dont want to over-elaborate so I'll just wish you good luck.
: : : Hi Adam,
: : : I think it would help if we knew where you live. But in a nutshell, PCN stands for Personal Cerification in NDT, it is a Europeen Certification and is recognised world wide. ASNT stands for American Society of Non-destructive Testing, so as the name imply American, also recognised world wide. To obtain any Certification, you have to meet their requirements on education and time in the trade (apprentiship). Once you write and pass their exam, you will be certified in the method that you were seeking certification in.
: : : A slight difference with ASNT is that there are twodifferent type of Certification. One is the ACCP where you attend some approuved course, you go thru your apprentiship and then will write a Certification exam from the governing body (ie. ASNT). The other type of ASNT Certification is called the TC-1A Practice where you get your approuved course, go thru your apprentiship and write your Certification exam that is provided by your employer or the client of your employer. The draw back with the TC-1A is that if you loose your employment, you also loose your Certification. I believe that any Certification program that is recognised by a National body is a good one. It really depend on where you want to work and what you want to do with your life.
: : : Good luck,
: : : Michel
: : : : my name is adam i'm 21 and thinking of starting a career in the NDT buisness, i am looking to achive qualifications from dye pen, mpi, radiography and ultrasonic.
: : : : my problem is i've seen 2 different type's of the same qualification (PCN and ASNT) and i don't know the difference therefore dnt no which qualification to go for.
: : : : if anyone could reply and actually tell me the difference and or the benefits between them i would be gratefull.
------------ End Original Message ------------




 
02:32 Dec-23-2008
Jim Stuckless
Re: ndt qualification??? Adam,

The difference between PCN and ASNT is quite substantial. PCN is the convening authority regarding NDE in the UK. They have extremely high standards and are recognized world wide as some of the best technicians available. ASNT is an American version similar to PCN in the UK and CGSB here in Canada. Not to offend any americans out there but both the UK and Canadian governing bodies provide their technicians with certifications that are more widely recognized and valued on a global market. If you want to "get in quick' and care little about getting really good at a lot of things....... take the ASNT route...... if you want to hit the job market with a highly developed skill set in a number of areas .... take the PCN training.... once its all over and you are finally certified....... you wont ever look back...... and your career will likely skyrocket shortly thereafter.

Good luck!


----------- Start Original Message -----------
: Adam,
: Looks to me like you're on the right track. Sorry I can't be more precise because I live in Canada and the process for certification maybe a little different and I don't know aboutt he British employment market. Maybe Nigel would be able to answer this one. In any case welcome to the trade and good luck.
: Cheerio's
: Michel
: : thank you for your feedback.
: : i am 21 from the north east of england, i am a painter by trade but wanting a change of career and am very interested in testing.
: : I have been looking around the internet for private courses bt am still unsure on the qualifications needed from an employer for a general tester.
: : I have been thinking of taking the courses below and if anyone could tell me if there is anything else needed for a basic tester looking for active work in the uk or abroad:
: : Liquid Penetrant Inspection Course. Combined Level 1 & 2
: : Magnetic Particle Inspection Course. Combined Level 1 & 2
: : Radiographic Course. Level 1 or Level 2
: : Basic Radiation Safety Course
: : the courses are from a company with a Authorised Qualifying Body of the PCN scheme
: : i would like to know if the courses above would be sufficient enough to gain employment as a basic ndt tester??
: : thank you for any help and im sorry if there isnt much information for anyone to go on as im still researching the subject myself.
: : : Adam
: : : Michel has made clear the eseential differneces in the two best-known certification schemes - central-certification versus employer-based, so I dont want add to that.
: : : You tell us nothing about yourself apart from your first name and age. However if its a long term career offering interest and insight into modern industrial world then NDT has excellent potential. there are many different process streams which need deiffering uses of both intrusive and non-intrusive inspections. From your email address you could be UK based in which case the proposed nuclear power plant construction programme would offer you excellent opportiunity.
: : : My advice is to hone your web research skills so that you can arm yourself with as much information as you can digest before thinking about certification - if you are keen then the certification will come in a form appropriate to the demands of the sector withhin which you work.
: : : I dont want to over-elaborate so I'll just wish you good luck.
: : : : Hi Adam,
: : : : I think it would help if we knew where you live. But in a nutshell, PCN stands for Personal Cerification in NDT, it is a Europeen Certification and is recognised world wide. ASNT stands for American Society of Non-destructive Testing, so as the name imply American, also recognised world wide. To obtain any Certification, you have to meet their requirements on education and time in the trade (apprentiship). Once you write and pass their exam, you will be certified in the method that you were seeking certification in.
: : : : A slight difference with ASNT is that there are two different type of Certification. One is the ACCP where you attend some approuved course, you go thru your apprentiship and then will write a Certification exam from the governing body (ie. ASNT). The other type of ASNT Certification is called the TC-1A Practice where you get your approuved course, go thru your apprentiship and write your Certification exam that is provided by your employer or the client of your employer. The draw back with the TC-1A is that if you loose your employment, you also loose your Certification. I believe that any Certification program that is recognised by a National body is a good one. It really depend on where you want to work and what you want to do with your life.
: : : : Good luck,
: : : : Michel
: : : : : my name is adam i'm 21 and thinking of starting a career in the NDT buisness, i am looking to achive qualifications from dye pen, mpi, radiography and ultrasonic.
: : : : : my problem is i've seen 2 different type's of the same qualification (PCN and ASNT) and i don't know the difference therefore dnt no which qualification to go for.
: : : : : if anyone could reply and actually tell me the difference and or the benefits between them i would be gratefull.
------------ End Original Message ------------




 
02:41 Dec-24-2008
Stuart
Re: ndt qualification??? Hi there, well i have been interested by the comments in this and a couple of other posts, and would just like to ad a couple of comments myself, from the viewpoint of a 30+ yearTech/Inspectors side and with a great deal of hindsight and experience.
Ok 1. I am a Brit and have at various times been qualified under the following certification systems in ndt: A- ASNT B-CSWIP,C- PCN,D- ERS/BGC, E- Lloyds Inspection.
2. It is only worth having the qualification that is in demand at the time, although there are situations where having an alternative approval is advantagous.
3. The British Institute of NDT actually instigated the system in the UK in response to the introduction of the ISO 9000 quality systems documentation. PCN ( Personnel Certification In NDT) is an independent body that accreditates the PCN approval system, specifically to training establishments, and is a world wide system thought mainly applied in Europe. ( it is an employer independent system and so is yours to take with you for the validity of the certificate).
4. As with ASNT and i think most other NDT certifications in the world today, it is a 3 level sytem 1-2-3, with 3 having the full responsibility for training, procedure writing and running a test facility, e.t.c.
4. Note that the PCN system has recertification by paperwork or examination/practical every 5 years with a mandatory practical renewal of certification every 10 years, unless additional catergories or or a higher level i.e. 1-2 or 2-3 has been undertaken in the meantime.
5 Now is it a worthwhile carreer choice?, there are two answers to that a, yes b no, qualified by the following statement: if you want to travel, be paid a low salary for extreme unsocial hours, in cold muddy, wet conditions where everybody is giving you grief because they are waiting for results, or they do not like the results you produce, and have to spend money continuously to maintain, update, and progress your certifications, or stay near home and have a lower salary for unsocial e.t.c. then the answer is up to you.
Oh and yes i nearly forgot, most Indian technicians and Inspectors have a minimum of a degree and are approx 50-70% cheaper to employ than European and American technicians, so really you are restricted to Europe, and West Africa for overseas locations, will live in a single room in a dirty flat in a dirty block of flats in a dirty city, or a rundown construction site, that is if you are looking for overseas work. I really do not have room for an explanation fo offshore work that is a whole new ball game as our friends across the water say.
Hope that the explanations have given you abit of an insight to what lies ahead.


---------- Start Original Message -----------
: Adam,
: Looks to me like you're on the right track. Sorry I can't be more precise because I live in Canada and the process for certification maybe a little different and I don't know aboutt he British employment market. Maybe Nigel would be able to answer this one. In any case welcome to thetrade and good luck.
: Cheerio's
: Michel
: : thank you for your feedback.
: : i am 21 from the north east of england, i am a painter by trade but wanting a change of career and am very interested in testing.
: : I have been looking around the internet for private courses bt am still unsure on the qualifications needed from an employer for a general tester.
: : I have been thinking of taking the courses below and if anyone could tell me if there is anything else needed for a basic tester looking for active work in the uk or abroad:
: : Liquid Penetrant Inspection Course. Combined Level 1 & 2
: : Magnetic Particle Inspection Course. Combined Level 1 & 2
: : Radiographic Course. Level 1 or Level 2
: : Basic Radiation Safety Course
: : the courses are from a company with a Authorised Qualifying Body of the PCN scheme
: : i would like to know if the courses above would be sufficient enough to gain employment as a basic ndt tester??
: : thank you for any help and im sorry if there isnt much information for anyone to go on as im still researching the subject myself.
: : : Adam
: : : Michel has made clear the eseential differneces in the two best-known certification schemes - central-certification versus employer-based, so I dont want add to that.
: : : You tell us nothing about yourself apart from your first name and age. However if its a long term career offering interest and insight into modern industrial world then NDT has excellent potential. there are many different process streams which need deiffering uses of both intrusive and non-intrusive inspections. From your email address you could be UK based in which case the proposed nuclear power plant construction programme would offer you excellent opportiunity.
: : : My advice is to hone your web research skills so that you can arm yourself with as much information as you can digest before thinking about certification - if you are keen then the certification will come in a form appropriate to the demands of the sector withhin which you work.
: : : I dont want to over-elaborate so I'll just wish you good luck.
: : : : Hi Adam,
: : : : I think it would help if we knew where you live. But in a nutshell, PCN stands for Personal Cerification in NDT, it is a Europeen Certification and is recognised world wide. ASNT stands for American Society of Non-destructive Testing, so as the name imply American, also recognised world wide. To obtain any Certification, you have to meet their requirements on education and time in the trade (apprentiship). Once you write and pass their exam, you will be certified in the method that you were seeking certification in.
: : : : A slight difference with ASNT is that there are two different type of Certification. One is the ACCP where you attend some approuved course, you go thru your apprentiship and then will write a Certification exam from the governing body (ie. ASNT). The other type of ASNT Certification is called the TC-1A Practice where you get your approuved course, go thru your apprentiship and write your Certification exam that is provided by your employer or the client of your employer. The draw back with the TC-1A is that if you loose your employment, you also loose your Certification. I believe that any Certification program that is recognised by a National body is a good one. It really depend on where you want to work and what you want to do with your life.
: : : : Good luck,
: : : : Michel
: : : : : my name is adam i'm 21 and thinking of starting a career in the NDT buisness, i am looking to achive qualifications from dye pen, mpi, radiography and ultrasonic.
: : : : : my problem is i've seen 2 different type's of the same qualification (PCN and ASNT) and i don't know the difference therefore dnt no which qualification to go for.
: : : : : if anyone could reply and actually tell me the difference and or the benefits between them i would be gratefull.
------------ End Original Message ------------




 
03:38 Dec-24-2008

Joe Buckley

Consultant, ASNT L-III, Honorary Secretary of BINDT
Level X NDT, BINDT,
United Kingdom,
Joined Oct 1999
515
Re: ndt qualification??? "Hope that the explanations have given you abit of an insight to what lies ahead."

But we can tell you love it really. I think it is obvious that this is one of the professions where "you Do have to be crazy to work here" But fortunately there are enough lunatics that the world keeps on turning.

I'm sure Adam will make a go of it, at least in the North of England there are at least two very well respected training schools and several good employers nearby - you should be able to get into the profession fairly easily, and out again (although few manage it) without totally uprooting your life if it doesn't work out.

Good luck.

and merry Christmas to everyone

Joe

----------- Start Original Message -----------
: Hi there, well i have been interested by the comments in this and a couple of other posts, and would just like to ad a couple of comments myself, from the viewpoint of a 30+ yearTech/Inspectors side and with a great deal of hindsight and experience.
: Ok 1. I am a Brit and have atvarious times been qualified under the following certification systems in ndt: A- ASNT B-CSWIP,C- PCN,D- ERS/BGC, E- Lloyds Inspection.
: 2. It is only worth having the qualification that is in demand at the time, although there are situations where having an alternative approval is advantagous.
: 3. The British Institute of NDT actually instigated the system in the UK in response to the introduction of the ISO 9000 quality systems documentation. PCN ( Personnel Certification In NDT) is an independent body that accreditates the PCN approval system, specifically to training establishments, and is a world wide system thought mainly applied in Europe. ( it is an employer independent system and so is yours to take with you for the validity of the certificate).
: 4. As with ASNT and i think most other NDT certifications in the world today, it is a 3 level sytem 1-2-3, with 3 having the full responsibility for training, procedure writing and running a test facility, e.t.c.
: 4. Note that the PCN system has recertification by paperwork or examination/practical every 5 years with a mandatory practical renewal of certification every 10 years, unless additional catergories or or a higher level i.e. 1-2 or 2-3 has been undertaken in the meantime.
: 5 Now is it a worthwhile carreer choice?, there are two answers to that a, yes b no, qualified by the following statement: if you want to travel, be paid a low salary for extreme unsocial hours, in cold muddy, wet conditions where everybody is giving you grief because they are waiting for results, or they do not like the results you produce, and have to spend money continuously to maintain, update, and progress your certifications, or stay near home and have a lower salary for unsocial e.t.c. then the answer is up to you.
: Oh and yes i nearly forgot, most Indian technicians and Inspectors have a minimum of a degree and are approx 50-70% cheaper to employ than European and American technicians, so really you are restricted to Europe, and West Africa for overseas locations, will live in a single room in a dirty flat in a dirty block of flats in a dirty city, or a rundown construction site, that is if you are looking for overseas work. I really do not have room for an explanation fo offshore work that is a whole new ball game as our friends across the water say.
: Hope that the explanations have given you abit of an insight to what lies ahead.
:
: ---------- Start Original Message -----------
: : Adam,
: : Looks to me like you're on the right track. Sorry I can't be more precise because I live in Canada and the process for certification maybe a little different and I don't know aboutt he British employment market. Maybe Nigel would be able to answer this one. In any case welcome to the trade and good luck.
: : Cheerio's
: : Michel
: : : thank you for your feedback.
: : : i am 21 from the north east of england, i am a painter by trade but wanting a change of career and am very interested in testing.
: : : I have been looking around the internet for private courses bt am still unsure on the qualifications needed from an employer for a general tester.
: : : I have been thinking of taking the courses below and if anyone could tell me if there is anything else needed for a basic tester looking for active work in the uk or abroad:
: : : Liquid Penetrant Inspection Course. Combined Level 1 & 2
: : : Magnetic Particle Inspection Course. Combined Level 1 & 2
: : : Radiographic Course. Level 1 or Level 2
: : : Basic Radiation Safety Course
: : : the courses are from a company with a Authorised Qualifying Body of the PCN scheme
: : : i would like to know if the courses above would be sufficient enough to gain employment as a basic ndt tester??
: : : thank you for any help and im sorry if there isnt much information for anyone to go on as im still researching the subject myself.
: : : : Adam
: : : : Michel has made clear the eseential differneces in the two best-known certification schemes - central-certification versus employer-based, so I dont want add to that.
: : : : You tell us nothing about yourself apart from your first name and age. However if its a long term career offering interest and insight into modern industrial world then NDT has excellent potential. there are many different process streams which need deiffering uses of both intrusive and non-intrusive inspections. From your email address you could be UK based in which case the proposed nuclear power plant construction programme would offer you excellent opportiunity.
: : : : My advice is to hone your web research skills so that you can arm yourself with as much information as you can digest before thinking about certification - if you are keen then the certification will come in a form appropriate to the demands of the sector withhin which you work.
: : : : I dont want to over-elaborate so I'll just wish you good luck.
: : : : : Hi Adam,
: : : : : I think it would help if we knew where you live. But in a nutshell, PCN stands for Personal Cerification in NDT, it is a Europeen Certification and is recognised world wide. ASNT stands for American Society of Non-destructive Testing, so as the name imply American, also recognised world wide. To obtain any Certification, you have to meet their requirements on education and time in the trade (apprentiship). Once you write and pass their exam, you will be certified in the method that you were seeking certification in.
: : : : : A slight difference with ASNT is that there are two different type of Certification. One is the ACCP where you attend some approuved course, you go thru your apprentiship and then will write a Certification exam from the governing body (ie. ASNT). The other type of ASNT Certification is called the TC-1A Practice where you get your approuved course, go thru your apprentiship and write your Certification exam that is provided by your employer or the client of your employer. The draw back with the TC-1A is that if you loose your employment, you also loose your Certification. I believe that any Certification program that is recognised by a National body is a good one. It really depend on where you want to work and what you want to do with your life.
: : : : : Good luck,
: : : : : Michel
: : : : : : my name is adam i'm 21 and thinking of starting a career in the NDT buisness, i am looking to achive qualifications from dye pen, mpi, radiography and ultrasonic.
: : : : : : my problem is i've seen 2 different type's of the same qualification (PCN and ASNT) and i don't know the difference therefore dnt no which qualification to go for.
: : : : : : if anyone could reply and actually tell me the difference and or the benefits between them i would be gratefull.
------------ End Original Message ------------




 
06:42 Dec-24-2008
Stuart
Re: ndt qualification??? Well i have to admit as a young man i did enjoy it but mainly because it was good money, it was hard work but enjoyable but when the downturn starts is when you really get to know the real side of the contracting buisness side. Major companies who besides commissioning large projects keep the general manufacturers of a myriad of items busy from plain old plate to exotic cladded vessels and piping, instrumentation and machinery, not to mention the equipement required to test all these items. When the price crashes so do the salaries and rates.
As does safety which is allways subject to minimum cost outlay, and the latest safety Mantra, where all LT incidents are downgraded to reduce LT injury notices.
I am now at 36 years in this industry, and have been in for the past 10-15 years simply because i was too far down the road to pull out and only as a mercenary.
Remember 1984-1986 and the middle nineties, utter bloodbath for companies and people.
For a secure future do not get into NDT ( but then again what is a secure job in the 21st century).
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: "Hope that the explanations have given you abit of an insight to what lies ahead."
: But we can tell you love it really. I think it is obvious that this is one of the professions where "you Do have to be crazy to work here" But fortunately there are enough lunatics that the world keeps on turning.
: I'm sure Adam will make a go of it, at least in the North of England there are at least two very well respected training schools and several good employers nearby - you should be able to get into the profession fairly easily, and out again (although few manage it) without totally uprooting your life if it doesn't work out.
: Good luck.
: and merry Christmas to everyone
: Joe
: : Hi there, well i have been interested by the comments in this and a couple of other posts, and would just like to ad a couple of comments myself, from the viewpoint of a 30+ yearTech/Inspectors side and with a great deal of hindsight and experience.
: : Ok 1. I am a Brit and have at various times been qualified under the following certification systems in ndt: A- ASNT B-CSWIP,C- PCN,D- ERS/BGC, E- Lloyds Inspection.
: : 2. It is only worth having the qualification that is in demand at the time, although there are situations where having an alternative approval is advantagous.
: : 3. The British Institute of NDT actually instigated the system in the UK in response to the introduction of the ISO 9000 quality systems documentation. PCN ( Personnel Certification In NDT) is an independent body that accreditates the PCN approval system, specifically to training establishments, and is a world wide system thought mainly applied in Europe. ( it is an employer independent system and so is yours to take with you for the validity of the certificate).
: : 4. As with ASNT and i think most other NDT certifications in the world today, it is a 3 level sytem 1-2-3, with 3 having the full responsibility for training, procedure writing and running a test facility, e.t.c.
: : 4. Note that the PCN system has recertification by paperwork or examination/practical every 5 years with a mandatory practical renewal of certification every 10 years, unless additional catergories or or a higher level i.e. 1-2 or 2-3 has been undertaken in the meantime.
: : 5 Now is it a worthwhile carreer choice?, there are two answers to that a, yes b no, qualified by the following statement: if you want to travel, be paid a low salary for extreme unsocial hours, in cold muddy, wet conditions where everybody is giving you grief because they are waiting for results, or they do not like the results you produce, and have to spend money continuously to maintain, update, and progress your certifications, or stay near home and have a lower salary for unsocial e.t.c. then the answer is up to you.
: : Oh and yes i nearly forgot, most Indian technicians and Inspectors have a minimum of a degree and are approx 50-70% cheaper to employ than European and American technicians, so really you are restricted to Europe, and West Africa for overseas locations, will live in a single room in a dirty flat in a dirty block of flats in a dirty city, or a rundown construction site, that is if you are looking for overseas work. I really do not have room for an explanation fo offshore work that is a whole new ball game as our friends across the water say.
: : Hope that the explanations have given you abit of an insight to what lies ahead.
: :
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: : : Adam,
: : : Looks to me like you're on the right track. Sorry I can't be more precise because I live in Canada and the process for certification maybe a little different and I don't know aboutt he British employment market. Maybe Nigel would be able to answer this one. In any case welcome to the trade and good luck.
: : : Cheerio's
: : : Michel
: : : : thank you for your feedback.
: : : : i am 21 from the north east of england, i am a painter by trade but wanting a change of career and am very interested in testing.
: : : : I have been looking around the internet for private courses bt am still unsure on the qualifications needed from an employer for a general tester.
: : : : I have been thinking of taking the courses below and if anyone could tell me if there is anything else needed for a basic tester looking for active work in the uk or abroad:
: : : : Liquid Penetrant Inspection Course. Combined Level 1 & 2
: : : : Magnetic Particle Inspection Course. Combined Level 1 & 2
: : : : Radiographic Course. Level 1 or Level 2
: : : : Basic Radiation Safety Course
: : : : the courses are from a company with a Authorised Qualifying Body of the PCN scheme
: : : : i would like to know if the courses above would be sufficient enough to gain employment as a basic ndt tester??
: : : : thank you for any help and im sorry if there isnt much information for anyone to go on as im still researching the subject myself.
: : : : : Adam
: : : : : Michel has made clear the eseential differneces in the two best-known certification schemes - central-certification versus employer-based, so I dont want add to that.
: : : : : You tell us nothing about yourself apart from your first name and age. However if its a long term career offering interest and insight into modern industrial world then NDT has excellent potential. there are many different process streams which need deiffering uses of both intrusive and non-intrusive inspections. From your email address you could be UK based in which case the proposed nuclear power plant construction programme would offer you excellent opportiunity.
: : : : : My advice is to hone your web research skills so that you can arm yourself with as much information as you can digest before thinking about certification - if you are keen then the certification will come in a form appropriate to the demands of the sector withhin which you work.
: : : : : I dont want to over-elaborate so I'll just wish you good luck.
: : : : : : Hi Adam,
: : : : : : I think it would help if we knew where you live. But in a nutshell, PCN stands for Personal Cerification in NDT, it is a Europeen Certification and is recognised world wide. ASNT stands for American Society of Non-destructive Testing, so as the name imply American, also recognised world wide. To obtain any Certification, you have to meet their requirements on education and time in the trade (apprentiship). Once you write and pass their exam, you will be certified in the method that you were seeking certification in.
: : : : : : A slight difference with ASNT is that there are two different type of Certification. One is the ACCP where you attend some approuved course, you go thru your apprentiship and then will write a Certification exam from the governing body (ie. ASNT). The other type of ASNT Certification is called the TC-1A Practice where you get your approuved course, go thru your apprentiship and write your Certification exam that is provided by your employer or the client of your employer. The draw back with the TC-1A is that if you loose your employment, you also loose your Certification. I believe that any Certification program that is recognised by a National body is a good one. It really depend on where you want to work and what you want to do with your life.
: : : : : : Good luck,
: : : : : : Michel
: : : : : : : my name is adam i'm 21 and thinking of starting a career in the NDT buisness, i am looking to achive qualifications from dye pen, mpi, radiography and ultrasonic.
: : : : : : : my problem is i've seen 2 different type's of the same qualification (PCN and ASNT) and i don't know the difference therefore dnt no which qualification to go for.
: : : : : : : if anyone could reply and actually tell me the difference and or the benefits between them i would be gratefull.
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03:49 Dec-26-2008

Nigel Armstrong

Engineering, - Specialist services
United Kingdom,
Joined Oct 2000
1094
Re: ndt qualification??? -Adam

Stuart's view is vital - that is the reality of NDT for many people. But note when challenged by Joe how he admitted he loved the excitement of the work in the early stages of his career.

There are alternatives, you dont have to stay with contracting, you dont have to stay as a technician and you dont have to remain feral to keep in employment. I think Stuart is neglecting to add is that usually that you get out of something what you put in. As a trainee you gain knowledge, experience and perhaps most importantly, insight (coincidentally BINDT's journal title). After a few years of gaining this knowledge augment it with a degree, Open University is a good option for study whilst continuing in paid employment - some employers will even contribute towards the cost, never happened in my case but it does happen.

Most industries are realisiing the importance of the NDT or Inspection Engineer and you can develop yourself towards such role. Join BINDT as a student, take comfort of how many names are associated with the industry for 30 years or more. It cant be all that bad, Adam.

Festive Yule and Happy 2009 to one and all, and a big continuing thanks to Rolf for his vision and effort to make ndt.net such a wionderful resource.

Vielen Danke und ein Frohes Neues Jahr, Rolf - sorry for the rotten Deutsch Grammatik - more difficult than Bessel or Eiger functions.

Nigel


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: my name is adam i'm 21 and thinking of starting a career in the NDT buisness, i am looking to achive qualifications from dye pen, mpi, radiography and ultrasonic.
: my problem is i've seen 2 different type's of the same qualification (PCN and ASNT) and i don't know the difference therefore dnt no which qualification to go for.
: if anyone could reply and actually tell me the difference and or the benefits between them i would be gratefull.
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00:46 Dec-27-2008

S.V.Swamy

Engineering, - Material Testing Inspection & Quality Control
Retired from Nuclear Fuel Complex ,
India,
Joined Feb 2001
783
Re: ndt qualification??? I worked for more than 40 years in testing, inspection etc. and that involved NDT almost right from beginning. I had a degree of course and that was an advantage but I had to do hands on work in the first few years of my career.

Even our technicians loved their work and many of them improved their basic qualification and also got the level 1 or 2 certification. I was interested in certification but my turn came rather late in career. I appeared for and passed my ASNT Level III directly in Basic, UT and RT methods at the age of 52!

I had the satisfaction of working with the Who is Who of NDT in India (esp. from my Dept. of Atomic Energy).

I have an young friend who took my advice and entered NDT field as a graduate metallurgist and is happy ten years down the line. He is in Saudi Arabia and is doing very well!

So, go for it. You can always get out if something better comes along. Enjoy the fun as long as you are here.

And last but not least, a very happy Christmas and a New Year 2009 to all of you. Thanks to Rolf for this wonderful forum.

Swamy
NDT Guru
Hyderabad, India

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: -Adam
: Stuart's view is vital - that is the reality of NDT for many people. But note when challenged by Joe how he admitted he loved the excitement of the work in the early stages of his career.
: There are alternatives, you dont have to stay with contracting, you dont have to stay as a technician and you dont have to remain feral to keep in employment. I think Stuart is neglecting to add is that usually that you get out of something what you put in. As a trainee you gain knowledge, experience and perhaps most importantly, insight (coincidentally BINDT's journal title). After a few years of gaining this knowledge augment it with a degree, Open University is a good option for study whilst continuing in paid employment - some employers will even contribute towards the cost, never happened in my case but it does happen.
: Most industries are realisiing the importance of the NDT or Inspection Engineer and you can develop yourself towards such role. Join BINDT as a student, take comfort of how many names are associated with the industry for 30 years or more. It cant be all that bad, Adam.
: Festive Yule and Happy 2009 to one and all, and a big continuing thanks to Rolf for his vision and effort to make ndt.net such a wionderful resource.
: Vielen Danke und ein Frohes Neues Jahr, Rolf - sorry for the rotten Deutsch Grammatik - more difficult than Bessel or Eiger functions.
: Nigel
:
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: : my name is adam i'm 21 and thinking of starting a career in the NDT buisness, i am looking to achive qualifications from dye pen, mpi, radiography and ultrasonic.
: : my problem is i've seen 2 different type's of the same qualification (PCN and ASNT) and i don't know the difference therefore dnt no which qualification to go for.
: : if anyone could reply and actually tell me the difference and or the benefits between them i would be gratefull.
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04:36 Dec-29-2008
tj
Re: ndt qualification??? In Reply to at 01:00 Jan-01-1970 .

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Jim Stuckless said:


Adam,
: The difference between PCN and ASNT is quite substantial. PCN is the convening authority regarding NDE in the UK. They have extremely high standards and are recognized world wide as some of the best technicians available. ASNT is an American version similar to PCN in the UK and CGSB here in Canada. Not to offend any americans out there but both the UK and Canadian governing bodies provide their technicians with certifications that are more widely recognized and valued on a global market. If you want to "get in quick' and care little about getting really good at a lot of things....... take the ASNT route...... if you want to hit the job market with a highly developed skill set in a number of areas .... take the PCN training.... once its all over and you are finally certified....... you wont ever look back...... and your career will likely skyrocket shortly thereafter.
: Good luck!
:


I would think that this isa pretty lame statement about NDT professionals certified through ASNT. I don't feel that my knowledge base or opportunities are limited with my certification. In fact, this drives me to experience more diverse applications. Doesn't matter if you are PCN, ASNT or whatever, if you want to "skyrocket" in this business YOU make it happen not your cert.

TJ

TJ


 
04:59 Dec-29-2008

prabhu S.R.G.

Consultant, AUT specialist
FREELANCE,
India,
Joined Aug 2008
63
Re: ndt qualification??? In Reply to S V Swamy at 16:31 Nov-26-2011 .

TJ,
I fully agree to your view...it is the PERSON not the certificate makes one reach better heights in this field...
continuing education, diversifying to other NDT methods like phased array and AUT to name a few will open up more exciting and rewarding career. The motivation and determination to excel is very very important in this field with willing to learn all the time...

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: Jim Stuckless said:
:
: Adam,
: : The difference between PCN and ASNT is quite substantial. PCN is the convening authority regarding NDE in the UK. They have extremely high standards and are recognized world wide as some of the best technicians available. ASNT is an American version similar to PCN in the UK and CGSB here in Canada. Not to offend any americans out there but both the UK and Canadian governing bodies provide their technicians with certifications that are more widely recognized and valued on a global market. If you want to "get in quick' and care little about getting really good at a lot of things....... take the ASNT route...... if you want to hit the job market with a highly developed skill set in a number of areas .... take the PCN training.... once its all over and you are finally certified....... you wont ever look back...... and your career will likely skyrocket shortly thereafter.
: : Good luck!
: :
:
: I would think that this is a pretty lame statement about NDT professionals certified through ASNT. I don't feel that my knowledge base or opportunities are limited with my certification. In fact, this drives me to experience more diverse applications. Doesn't matter if you are PCN, ASNT or whatever, if you want to "skyrocket" in this business YOU make it happen not your cert.
: TJ
: TJ
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04:23 Jan-04-2009
adam
Re: ndt qualification??? In Reply to Gary Ellison at 18:48 Sep-08-2015 .

id just like to thank everyone for your feedback, i didnt actually think i would get a responce when i posted my original questions.

my question about pcn vs asnt wasnt about which one is better or worse it was simply a query as what i would need to follow what im hoping to achive.

thanks to everyone who helped me here, i hope you all had a nice xmas and new year.
il post back sometime when i leave for my training as im sure il have alot more questions.

all the best
adam


 


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