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Tom Degler
NDT Inspector
USA, Joined Apr 2009, 3

Tom Degler

NDT Inspector
USA,
Joined Apr 2009
3
15:04 Apr-09-2009
UT-Shearwave velocities

Im supervising a job where they require some UT-shearwave on some Stainless Steel welds.

Does anyone have the velocity of SS as it applies to shear wave. The line is schd 80 standard. I believe its 5/16"

    
 
 
Ryan Burns
Ryan Burns
15:33 Apr-09-2009
Re: UT-Shearwave velocities
In Reply to Tom Degler at 15:04 Apr-09-2009 (Opening).

Google "Ultrasonic Velocity Table" and you will find several returns to get this information. There are also some very good articles within NDT.net regarding issues and complexities of UT done on stainless welds.

    
 
 
Ed T.
Ed T.
15:46 Apr-09-2009
Re: UT-Shearwave velocities
In Reply to Ryan Burns at 15:33 Apr-09-2009 .

That is an excellent question that I am sure will draw a big discussion. Stainless steel is a funny animal with respect to UT. It has different velocities in each and every direction. Particularly with shear waves and even more so with heat affected zones and the weld metal itself.
Stainless steel can change direction of shear waves, mode convert and actually bend the sound beams once they enter the HAZ and the weld.
What type of Stainless steel are you examining? Basically it depends on the heat input during welding and the microstructure of the material after welding. It is coarse grained so you need to have very experienced UT techs that can recognize different reflections.
I’m sure Mark Davis and Ed Ginzel and other experts in this area can give you a lot more insight on this subject.

    
 
 
tom degler
NDT Inspector
USA, Joined Apr 2009, 3

tom degler

NDT Inspector
USA,
Joined Apr 2009
3
15:54 Apr-09-2009
Re: UT-Shearwave velocities
In Reply to Ed T. at 15:46 Apr-09-2009 .

Well ed, Experienced my tech is not, and i believe the grade is 301. Im only a ut ltd thickness inspector, so they sent me a tech and he is fresh ou of ocean corps, working on a machine he has never used and a cal block that hes never seen as well. Also due to lack of smart people in the office they have sent us a carbon steel block, thats why i am trying to find the velocity so as to cal to the carbon steel and then change the velocity

    
 
 
R Duwe
NDT Inspector, API-510, 570, 653
MISTRAS, USA, Joined Jan 2009, 148

R Duwe

NDT Inspector, API-510, 570, 653
MISTRAS,
USA,
Joined Jan 2009
148
18:44 Apr-09-2009
Re: UT-Shearwave velocities
In Reply to tom degler at 15:54 Apr-09-2009 .

Tom,
Been there, tried that. Works fairly well on thickness, doesn't work at all for shearwave. Different velocity gives different refracted angle. Now you don't have a valid velocity or angle, and you don't know where your indications are. If the test piece is clean, you're OK. If it has indications, you're lost.

Machine an ID and OD notch into a scrap piece of the pipe. Lacking machining capability, use a thin grinder wheel [cut-off disk] and make notches. Crank in a nominal velocity of 1235. Now you know where the ID & OD are, and you can get some idea where the indications are.

    
 
 
Nigel Armstrong
Engineering, - Specialist services
United Kingdom, Joined Oct 2000, 1094

Nigel Armstrong

Engineering, - Specialist services
United Kingdom,
Joined Oct 2000
1094
20:12 Apr-09-2009
Re: UT-Shearwave velocities
In Reply to R Duwe at 18:44 Apr-09-2009 .

Really Tom, from the conditions you have described my advise would be to postpone the inspection whilst a Level III approved procedure is made available or formalised. This will include (amongst others) equipment including porbes to be used, operator experience of st. steel welds, applicable calibration and sensitivity blocks, test methodology including sizing method and acceptance criteria.

If you have any control of the situation, just postpone it until the above is satisfactorily organised.

Good luck

    
 
 
Tom Degler
NDT Inspector
USA, Joined Apr 2009, 3

Tom Degler

NDT Inspector
USA,
Joined Apr 2009
3
01:13 Apr-10-2009
Re: UT-Shearwave velocities
In Reply to Nigel Armstrong at 20:12 Apr-09-2009 .

thanks to all for the responses, we have managed to get the job put on hold whilest we work on some carbon steel insections that they needed carried out.

    
 
 
R Duwe
NDT Inspector, API-510, 570, 653
MISTRAS, USA, Joined Jan 2009, 148

R Duwe

NDT Inspector, API-510, 570, 653
MISTRAS,
USA,
Joined Jan 2009
148
00:36 Apr-11-2009
Re: UT-Shearwave velocities
In Reply to Tom Degler at 01:13 Apr-10-2009 .

Oops! Forgot to mention that the way we got ourselves out of the problem on the S/S shearwave was to have a S/S IIW block and S/S ASME Basic block expedited from PH Tool. Phil got us taken care of. Stayed late and made the Basic block, then Overnighted it. Not a cheap way out, but one that meets Code.

Do NOT use a Square-Wave pulser on S/S, Spike only. As Nigel Armstrong aluded to, stainless welds have a perverse grain structure, that 'eats' sound. Thus his recommendation for Level III input.

Your best [and most expensive] calibration block is an actual weld in something of very similar diameter and thickness, made using the same weld process. With accurate, ASME-sized ID and OD notches in the weld, you now can be CERTAIN that your inspection is accurate. Thats what my Level III requires.

    
 
 

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