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01:24 Aug-22-2009
john smart
welding inspection course advice please

Hi guys,
I know this has probably been asked a million times but here goes.I want to become fully qualified welding inspector.I am from the uk,41 yrs of age,fully time served pipe welder (E.I.T.B),C&G parts two and three,currently multi coded and have experience in petro-chem,nuclear,coal,gas and steel works environments.I need advice on the following
1:cswip or pcn?
2:what further ndt course are required along with the above?
3:what is the projected costs to become fully qualified?
4:how long before you are qualified?
5:I know employers request you have years of experience,so how can you get experience once you are qualified?
6:I appreciate honesty guys so am I wasting my time seeking this route because of my age?

I am extremely keen to become a welding inspector and I feel that my age and experience will help and not hinder me so all advice good or bad (as long as its truthful) will be greatly received

 
11:11 Aug-22-2009
ken boon
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to john smart at 01:24 Aug-22-2009 (Opening).

Hi John
CSWIP not PCN, reason is , i have PCN WI and it is not worth the paper it is written on.
You do not need any ndt courses yet but a full appreciation is good. If you ad rad interpretation then it is a big bonus.
Course costs vary but i would say £1500 for course and exam.
You will become qualified as soon as you pass provided you have all previous experience which it appears you have with your background.
Some employers ask for experience, others just want bodies on jobs just remember it's who you know not what you know.
You are not too old at 41, i am 35 been in NDT and inspection since i left school.

 
17:04 Aug-22-2009

anjafo

NDT Inspector
Norway,
Joined Aug 2009
204
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to ken boon at 11:11 Aug-22-2009 .

I thought pcn was based on the exact same criteria hence you should be able to tell anyone asking for say the cswip welding inspector certificate that you have the pcn equivalent.

Most specs leave room for this when stating personal requirements.

PCN also does a broad visual course which is not equivalent as it is not specific to welds.

 
20:44 Aug-23-2009
john smart
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to ken boon at 11:11 Aug-22-2009 .

thanks for the replies guys much appreciated.does obtaining the CSWIP 3.1 certify you as a fully qualified welding inspector.is the CSWIP 3.2 the qualification needed to become a senior welding inspector.what is the earning potential for a newly qualified welding inspector.as I have stated I will have no inspection experience other than every butt that I weld I can tell 95% of the time if it will pass the bomb and the experience I have as a coded welder I hope will help and not hinder me.one final point guys I am thinking of going for my qualification with the TWI UK early 2010 and was thinking it would be wise to read up and revise on the course content(terminology,metallurgy,procedures,processes etc.etc) is this wise as I want to give myself a better than average of passing as it is quite a costly price for failure

 
23:14 Aug-23-2009

anjafo

NDT Inspector
Norway,
Joined Aug 2009
204
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to john smart at 20:44 Aug-23-2009 .

Duties for each level are well defined.

I would consider it wise to revise for any course.

Pay would depend if you are looking for full time or contract, location and actual duties. You may be hired just to go round shop floor keeping an eye on the welders or you may be office based checking procedures and reports and offering expertise where needed.

I could get someone with your qualifications for 25 -30 GBP before tax on a 14-14 rotation.

Better than welding but quite a popular course it seems...Good luck.

 
23:34 Aug-23-2009
john smart
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to anjafo at 23:14 Aug-23-2009 .

I am probably thinking of contracting and chasing the buck(just like I did years ago and then gave up)but my kids are grown up now so I can go where the top rates are being paid

 
09:25 Aug-24-2009
ken boon
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to john smart at 20:44 Aug-23-2009 .

Hi

It is exactly the same course both theory and practical, it conforms to a European norm, people just see CSWIP and it is preferred. Very old school. Very contradictary when they ask for pcn ndt certs and cswip welding and when you offer pcn they look offended.

 
12:41 Aug-24-2009

anjafo

NDT Inspector
Norway,
Joined Aug 2009
204
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to ken boon at 09:25 Aug-24-2009 .

People know what CSWIP Visual, 3.1, 3.2 etc cover but with PCN you have welding inspector Level I, II and III I think plus (general) visual PCN which does not cover you as a welding inspector.

Welding Inspector PCN level I = CSWIP ?
Welding Inspector PCN level II = CSWIP ?
Welding Inspector PCN level III = CSWIP ?

Thats the question.

 
20:26 Aug-24-2009
john smart
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to anjafo at 12:41 Aug-24-2009 .

thanks again guys for the advice,I received email from the TWI today about courses(CSWIP)my only concern is the entry requirements.like I have stated I am a fully time served welder(E.I.T.B) with my c&gs parts 2&3 I have experience in various environments nuclear,petro chem,coal and gas etc.I have a long break away from welding but I passed my trade test at the first time of asking feb09 8" sched 80 mild steel pipe 6g tig root and low hi fill and cap and since have passed my 2" stainless/steel 6g full tig and 13mm single v but plate all low hi.I think that shows that I am a very competent welder that can adapt to various processes and procedures because of my apprenticeship and experience.unfortunately I do not have inspection experience other than on my own welds,or supervisory experience so in your opinion are the TWI likely to decline my application,sorry if I seem to be rabbiting on guys but I need advice from the experts and guys that have have been in my position before

 
21:04 Aug-24-2009

anjafo

NDT Inspector
Norway,
Joined Aug 2009
204
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to john smart at 20:26 Aug-24-2009 .

When I applied I thought they wouldn't let me in cause I didn't know enough about welding only QA and NDT.

Vice-a-versa for you. You will get in. Study and pass the course. Learn more about QA and document control as the is valuable to a more hands on guy. Your paper trail must be in order.

I never attended as was busy.

 
18:32 Aug-25-2009
c williams
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to john smart at 01:24 Aug-22-2009 (Opening).

hey up
i have just done my 3.1 cswip welding inspection course and passed it.
i am a time served welder with 15 years experience in the welding industry, welding instuctor/trainer and visiual inspection.
most of the jobs ive tried for want 5 to 10 years experience in the inspection field, and they want at least 1 NDT qual. my argument is ive got the ticket for the 3.1 inspection and u have to start somewhere or your not going get the experience!!
anyone else had the same problem
cheers

 
20:11 Aug-25-2009
john smart
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to c williams at 18:32 Aug-25-2009 .

thanks once again for your replies guys what books or literature should I be studying prior to taking the CSWIP course. I am thinking of revising for at least 6 months before I take the course so I am well prepared.

 
20:51 Aug-25-2009

phil

NDT Inspector, Radiation Safety
BINDT, MIAQP,
United Kingdom,
Joined Mar 2009
151
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to c williams at 18:32 Aug-25-2009 .

C. Williams,
I am sure you have tried one of the easiest ways to get experience check with your old or current employer see if they need an inspector, that was one of the ways to get experience.

 
17:10 Aug-26-2009
c williams
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to phil at 20:51 Aug-25-2009 .

cheers for the advice,
but just been made redundant thats why i went on to do my 3.1.
which NDT courses would you go for there are loads a different ones i was thinking of doing my UT WELDS, and RAD INTERP. these are the most common they ask for.
its going cost a lot i know but its got to be done!!!!!
want to try and get them done asap but TWI have not got any till mid october!!
cheers

 
19:25 Aug-26-2009

anjafo

NDT Inspector
Norway,
Joined Aug 2009
204
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to c williams at 17:10 Aug-26-2009 .

UT has so many levels. Cheap to level I but no use, level II is difficult to get to test all welds (you really need to get up to 3.9). But there are more advanced methods this can lead to after that. Long Range, Phased Array etc.

Rad interp a bit easier but doesnt that come with cswip 3.2 anyway and most bombers can check there films so unless you get office job or rad assist you are no help.

Do you have contact with any future employer? Where are they short?

 
21:26 Aug-26-2009
john smart
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to anjafo at 19:25 Aug-26-2009 .

I am a bit disheartened guys after your great advice I received a phone call from a senior welding inspector from the TWI stating what I was concerned about that I do not have supervisory or inspection experience.I really don't know where to turn guys as I am extremely keen to become a fully qualified inspector

 
10:35 Aug-27-2009

anjafo

NDT Inspector
Norway,
Joined Aug 2009
204
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to john smart at 21:26 Aug-26-2009 .

That was a kick in the #%¤&% eh!

Try another school?

In NDT you are not supposed to get your certificate without relevant training, however, most jobs you cant get unless you have the certificate so you cant get relelvant training unless you have come up as a "apprentice" or through school. Ctach 22.

But we all know how many people the NDT training centres churn out every year....

 
13:13 Aug-27-2009

Phil

NDT Inspector, Radiation Safety
BINDT, MIAQP,
United Kingdom,
Joined Mar 2009
151
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to c williams at 17:10 Aug-26-2009 .

c.williams

As for courses and exams I prefer to go to Lavenders in Pennistone, very pleasant, good instructors, try them might have something earlier.

www.lavender-ndt.com

Cheers

 
02:43 Aug-29-2009
ndtme
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to john smart at 01:24 Aug-22-2009 (Opening).

Why in the world do you want to inspect welds? It sounds like you have a well established welding career. You'd be starting from the bottom wherever you went. If you want to pursue it my advice would be to find an employer who will hire you based on your merits and welding experience, and have them pay to certify you.

 
17:04 Aug-30-2009
john smart
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to ndtme at 02:43 Aug-29-2009 .

Ill tell you why I want to become a welding inspector the money that I earn as a coded welder in various unsavory environments that is detrimental to my health and working to 100% xray standards falls way short to what a newly qualified welding inspector would earn.I dont know if you have ever been on the tools or how much coded welding experience you have because to ask the question as to why I want to become a welding inspector is a no brainer if you have been on the welders side of the fence

 
01:54 Sep-02-2009
ndtme
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to john smart at 17:04 Aug-30-2009 .

Well, just a tip, radiation can be detrimental to your health as well. I am always approached by people who want to get into NDT not always understanding what is required. They see what we do and think it is easy, but do not understand the training & experience requirements associated with our job. I know the grass is always greener from the other side, but I work in the aerospace and an experienced welder makes just as much as a Level 2 certified in several NDI methods, not just radiography. NDT has a wide range of salaries depending on your experience and how many methods you are certified in. If you are only certified to do radiography on welds, the pay could be decent depending on your employer, or it could be nominal. I have seen guys making more money at Disney Land only doing PT & MT than some doing open source radiography. Anyways, it really isn’t any of my concern what you do, my only advice is to have an employer pay for your training if you can. There are many training programs and standards out there but ultimately it is up to your employer to certify you.


Oh, and let me add that my perspective comes from the standards of my Country and Industry, I'm sure yours are different. In my organization, a welder is only required to be certified in TIG welding, and makes the same amount of money as a Level 2 tech who is required to be certified in 5 methods.

 
13:58 Oct-06-2009
sampath wijeratne
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to john smart at 01:24 Aug-22-2009 (Opening).

I am going to do my cswip 3.1 exam oct 17 09. I would like to ask if any one has model questions or past test papers for this exam. If so pl e mail it to this address. It would be a great help.

Waiting your feedback asap guys.

 
22:25 Aug-11-2010
Scott McNamee
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to john smart at 23:34 Aug-23-2009 .

Hi John,

I am a qualified QA Engineer for your information the bottom entry to welding inspection is CSWIP 3.0 course,this enables you to qualify with 40hrs plus in WI. Also CSWIP rules stipulate that you must have previous experience prior to the 3.1 course, effectively the 3.0 course guarantees you access to sit the 3.1 exam after 1-2 years of using the qualification.

PCN is a BINDT recognised body in NDT. CSWIP 3.1 is the equivalent of PCN WI Level 2 and CSWIP 3.2 is equivalent to PCN WI Level 3. However CSWIP is the preferred WI ticket in most industries.

CSWIP also state you can sit the Senior WI exam without RAD-I this is what is called 3.2.1 or sit the Senior WI with RAD-I, CSWIP 3.2.2.

I would if I were you get an employer to PUT you through the courses and gain the experience that way. Otherwise you may find yourself with a WI Ticket and very little on the job WI knowledge. I have got all my CSWIP tickets and the course is only a small part of welding inspection.

 
19:44 Aug-12-2010

Len Andersen

Engineering
New York City Department of Transportation,
USA,
Joined Nov 2009
31
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to john smart at 01:24 Aug-22-2009 (Opening).

John,
I am a graduate engineer who went with welding inspection ( aws.org ) CWI in USA when I had trouble finding engineering work and dock building diving etc work. A high rate situation is what got me focused. The UK situation is something I am less familiar with. Guess based on USA CWI 5000 USD for a heavy course. I did it with 600 one day of a course, motel for night and take the daylong exam. The NDT course. My guess USA 5000 UT or ---. Experience spot getting paid less is where I started and on the road. I started my welding career as a welding instructor US Army private in 1967. Literally have worked with over a thousand welders. Your eyes go and the premium work is not there. Been at welding inspection since 1993 and it has worked for me. A fellow working with me as an AWS ACWI ( associate ) that got close to full on test told him it was another tool in his toolbox. Last time we met, he was doing welding but got feeling using that other tool. Hope it works for you.
Sincerely
Len Andersen www.lenandersen.com
212-839-6599, 4042 FAX / 914-237-7689 (H) / 914-536-7101 (Mobil)

 
20:39 Aug-12-2010
Mark Milligan
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to Len Andersen at 19:44 Aug-12-2010 .

John,

Don't lose heart mate!

I'm an ex welder who got put through my PT where I worked. As soon as they did that I knew I was going to do my CSWIP as soon as my 3yrs was up. So I was lucky I guess.

Why don't you do PCN MT and PT? (Should Lavenders not accept you)

This will have 2 benefits.

1 You will be gaining inspection experience.
2 you won't be welding.
Get with a decent company they might even pay for your UT along the way.

There are options. I'm thinking of doing the Internattional Welding Specialist course.
You can't go wrong with accreditations so there's that route too.

As for the CSWIP course, when you pay for the course ask for the study book. If you are a decent welder you will know 70% of it, but make sure you study it anyhow.
I studied mine for 3 months.

Good Luck
Mark

 
22:31 Aug-12-2010
Scott McNamee
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to john smart at 01:24 Aug-22-2009 (Opening).

John,

Be very careful as well when selecting any NDT qualifications especially PCN. If you qualify in say DP or MPI you will be qualified for 5 years. The danger is PCN stipulate in order to re-qualify for a further 5 years you must have proof of at least 1 inspection every year in the 5 years of your qualification witnessed by a Level 3. This means you must be actively using the qualification otherwise you wont re-qualify in 5 years. Also in NDT the old saying is there is only so many plates you can balance! meaning if you qualify in DP / MPI / and or UT if you are not using them all they effectively become more difficult to use i.e if you go for a UT job and the last time you used the qualification was a year ago it becomes difficult to use as a job tool.

You either go for Welding Inspection the pay out of the course will be reimbursed in your first WI job or you go down the NDT route and stick to NDT Pro's and Con's! I have PCN 2 AUT-I and it is very difficult as well as DP they 're not easy courses. Again like I said in my last email the course is only part of the job the experience is what really counts.

 
09:05 Feb-29-2012
tua022012
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to john smart at 01:24 Aug-22-2009 (Opening).

Thanks for your link. It's useful for our community.
Same material can be found at : http://welderjob.info/how-to-become-welder/
I hope it's useful for you and you like it. Please continue sharing more information at this topic.
Best rgs!

 
14:05 Mar-01-2012
joblot
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to Scott McNamee at 22:31 Aug-12-2010 .

Hi Scott,

I am sorry but i don't agree with what you have said about PCN and the renewal issue.

You can balance the job and use all your qualifications in my experience and i have been an NDT tech for over 20 years and have PT,MT,UT welds and rad welds all level 2.

 
20:37 Mar-01-2012

George Robertson

NDT Inspector, - /welding inspector
United Kingdom,
Joined Sep 2007
20
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to ken boon at 11:11 Aug-22-2009 .

Hi I’ve had my PCN level 2 welding inspector for 5 years now (renewal very soon) and I’ve got to say I’ve never been out of work with it
also just sat my 3.1 and it was no ware near as hard as the PCN level 2 exam
the reason for doing my 3.1 was to get more work "abroad" even though i have a welding inspection ticket
i think the PCN ticket is growing rapidly i mean everyone dose have to start some ware but a recently qualified cswip 3.1 asked me how many capping runs should he instruct the welder to put on a 4" pipe with no special instruction on the WPS and i just walked away you see i think that they are no difference in the tickets themselves but its the individual who holds the tickets

 
12:01 Sep-15-2012
Ashton
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to john smart at 01:24 Aug-22-2009 (Opening).

I actually finished my [url=http://www.weldingtrainingcenter.com/]welding school[/url] this year and I am planning to learn further but I am still not sure on what to focus on. Basics is a great foundation but having a specialty is better in regards of finding a job later.

 
22:37 Jan-14-2013
saf
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to George Robertson at 20:37 Mar-01-2012 .

Hi guys
Im thinking about becoming a welding inspector,at the moment im a fully qualified fabricator/welder with 20 yrs experience,i want to know if i can bypass the CSWIP 3.0 and go straight to the CSWIP 3.1, I have supervisory experience. Also can anyone tell me where the nearest place to Manchester the courses are. Thanks

 
06:02 Jan-15-2013

keith baldam

NDT Inspector
welding institute,
United Kingdom,
Joined Apr 2011
13
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to saf at 22:37 Jan-14-2013 .

If your c/v reflects all the relevant details that you have proven you are capable, you can do the 3.1 course.the nearst twi to Manchester is in Middlesbrough, they will help you for hotels ect . Good Luck in passing.

 
22:31 Jan-28-2013
saf
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to keith baldam at 06:02 Jan-15-2013 .

hi keith
thanks for your response,ive just come back from my holiday.ive just looked on the TWI website and they do a course in rotherham which is closer to manchester,im in the understanding that the questions are multiple choice,is this correct? is there anywhere i could find some more information on what type of questions will be asked. thanks

 
11:37 Jan-29-2013

Nigel Armstrong

Engineering, - Specialist services
United Kingdom,
Joined Oct 2000
1094
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to saf at 22:31 Jan-28-2013 .

saf

Best contact TWI and ask to speak to one of the course tutors. WI exam is certainly MUCH more than multiple choice.

 
10:57 Feb-13-2014
sakthi kishore
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to Nigel Armstrong at 11:37 Jan-29-2013 .

Hi guys,
I am going to complete my final year B.E(Mechanical) before April 2014, after that I decided to do a value added course (i.e) NDT(LEVEL-II) -UT,PT,MT with that I'm also planning to do CSWIP 3.0(Visual welding inspection).By completing these courses i decided to fix my career in welding field as welding inspector.

my questions:
1) My decision is right or wrong??
2) Will i get a nice pay??
3) How will be the working nature after completing this course..?(as a fresher)
4) Can i able to get settled within 6years??

anyone please reply me for this questions so that i will make a clear decission regarding my future career...

 
00:57 Mar-01-2014
vivek
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to sakthi kishore at 10:57 Feb-13-2014 .

Hi guys
i have done Act.apprentice in welder trade and i am working in indian railways as a technician welder mechanical department....and meanwhile i have done diploma in mechanical engineering now i want to do welding inspector course .....

1.is it right decission?
2.how much it wil help my future carrer?
3.give me advise and tel me where is the best institue to do welding inspector course in india..

 
22:16 Dec-24-2014
shahzad
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to vivek at 00:57 Mar-01-2014 .

hey guys please help i set on the paper of cswip 3.1 at first attempt i pass macro and plate practical and then in 2nd attempt i pass general pepper by 80% and technology paper i got 68.33% and 47 % in pipe practical did you please tell me what should i do next

 
22:44 Feb-17-2015
JOHN SMART
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to shahzad at 22:16 Dec-24-2014 .

Hi Guys,
Just a little update on my situation.After all the awesome advice given here I still couldn't do my cswip 3.1 in UK due mainly to financial reasons.Well I left the UK in 2012 for Canada where I had to challenge my Red Seal Journeyman (I did and passed) My company then let me move into a QC role which I did and relish.I sat and passed my CWB LEVEL1 Welding inspection (b31.3 endorsed) and am about to sit my CSWIP 3.1 exam.I am the QC coordinator at my company in Alberta (oil and gas related) and have built up the QC department on the shop floor with QC inspectors working under my guidance and supervision.Sorry about delayed response guys

 
16:20 Nov-20-2015
haziq
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to JOHN SMART at 22:44 Feb-17-2015 .

Hey!
I have just completed B.Sc. Mechanical Engg. ; now some one advised me to have CSWIP 3.1 certificate; i am fresh n dont have any experience in welding other than a subject (theoritical) which was a part of my 4th semester course. How long would it take for me to pass it, I have contacted TWI office they r starting a class at the end of this month and next session would be at the end of December-15. Should i attend the classes now n study for 1-2 months before appearing in exams.

 
15:00 Feb-15-2016
Erik
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to JOHN SMART at 22:44 Feb-17-2015 .

Hi John Smart,

Nice update, good to hear. Take a chance and go worked out for you. Enjoy Canada eyh!

 
12:56 Sep-21-2016
Shafi
Re: welding inspection course advice please In Reply to john smart at 01:24 Aug-22-2009 (Opening).

Hi Sir,
This is Shaik.M.Shafi. I completed my B.tech in 2016 with 80%. I was interested on doing CSWIP 3.2. And I completed my ASNT NDT LEVEL 2 too. What type of job should I need to go with and how many min years should I need to do this job , so that I can get into CSWIP 3.1 exam. For the past 5 months onwards I was doing nothing only completed my NDT LEVEL 2 course. Please help me over this questions. Kindly reply me Sir.
Thanking you Sir,
Yours Obediently,
Sk.M.Shafi.

 


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