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Derek Righini
Derek Righini
15:21 Oct-09-2009
How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?

I want to do a course in Scotland to gain my PCN level 1+2 UT and MP to go with my ICorr 1 and 2 Paint Inspection Certificates. I am sure that I can learn and pass the theoretical part of the course but I do not fully understand what I would then have to do to be fully PCN certified. Can anyone clarify the process. I am also going to get my off-shore survival and rope access where these qualifications are in demand.

    
 
 
Phil
NDT Inspector, Radiation Safety
BINDT, MIAQP, United Kingdom, Joined Mar 2009, 151

Phil

NDT Inspector, Radiation Safety
BINDT, MIAQP,
United Kingdom,
Joined Mar 2009
151
15:55 Oct-09-2009
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to Derek Righini at 15:21 Oct-09-2009 (Opening).

If you want to do it in Scotland TWI Aberdeen twin spires Business Park,

For more info email elizabeth.willis@twi.co.uk for the course info but remember you also need practical experience.



Regards,

    
 
 
anjafo79
NDT Inspector
Norway, Joined Aug 2009, 204

anjafo79

NDT Inspector
Norway,
Joined Aug 2009
204
15:57 Oct-09-2009
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to Derek Righini at 15:21 Oct-09-2009 (Opening).

Lavenders NDT have a good site telling you what you must have:

Basically you need classroom training, the examinations (practical, theory, specific, written instruction) and of course work experience.

Its not so easy though.

    
 
 
Joe Buckley
Consultant, ASNT L-III, Honorary Secretary of BINDT
Level X NDT, BINDT, United Kingdom, Joined Oct 1999, 515

Joe Buckley

Consultant, ASNT L-III, Honorary Secretary of BINDT
Level X NDT, BINDT,
United Kingdom,
Joined Oct 1999
515
16:11 Oct-09-2009
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to anjafo79 at 15:57 Oct-09-2009 .

Look at

http://www.bindt.org/downloads/PCNGEN.pdf

for the formal statement of the detailed requirements.

Good luck

Joe

    
 
 
Nigel Armstrong
Engineering, - Specialist services
United Kingdom, Joined Oct 2000, 1094

Nigel Armstrong

Engineering, - Specialist services
United Kingdom,
Joined Oct 2000
1094
16:25 Oct-09-2009
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to anjafo79 at 15:57 Oct-09-2009 .

Derek

Neither is it so difficult, witness the large number of initial candidates for PCN certificates who successfully develop a career in NDT. It is possible to sit the exams without site or shop experience (an approved training course is mandatory) but certification is deferred until you can demonstrate you have gained the required experience. As anjafo says Lavenders or any other PCN-accredited training and examination centres will gladly advise.

Phone Nicole Scutt on +44 (01604) 259056 at BINDT and ask for the latest edition of PCN/GEN which gives all the requirements for qualification and certification.

    
 
 
anjafo
NDT Inspector
Norway, Joined Aug 2009, 204

anjafo

NDT Inspector
Norway,
Joined Aug 2009
204
17:04 Oct-09-2009
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to Nigel Armstrong at 16:25 Oct-09-2009 .

Ive seen grow men cry come exam day and thats only MPI hahah. Thought one teacher was going to get beat up as well haha.

Its a stress for most especially when paying yourself as the cost puts added pressure on.

UT theory can be mind boggling to people with over a years experience.

But yes most people get through it.

    
 
 
Nigel Armstrong
Engineering, - Specialist services
United Kingdom, Joined Oct 2000, 1094

Nigel Armstrong

Engineering, - Specialist services
United Kingdom,
Joined Oct 2000
1094
19:31 Oct-09-2009
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to anjafo at 17:04 Oct-09-2009 .

anjafo,

If grown men cry over an MPI exam then maybe they should stand aside and leave the job to women!

Self-sponsorship stimulates proper preparation for improved POP (probability of passing)!

Best preparation though is to participate in inspections as a trainee - classroom training can only take you so far, but it cannot give you the confidence and assertiveness required to make critical decisions.

    
 
 
Derek Righini
Derek Righini
21:03 Oct-09-2009
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to anjafo at 17:04 Oct-09-2009 .

OK, I think I am capable of doing the UT and MP classroom stuff. But it is the experience bit I am more concerned about i.e I don't want to through £1500+ down the drain. Are companies willing to give you a go if you pass the school part of the PCN? Or is that a long shot?

To fill in a bit more I plan to get rope access level 1 and off-shore survival and I have passed ICorr Level 1+2 Paint Inspection. Do you think if I do all of the above it will be enough to get me in the door?

Thanks


Derek

    
 
 
Phil
NDT Inspector, Radiation Safety
BINDT, MIAQP, United Kingdom, Joined Mar 2009, 151

Phil

NDT Inspector, Radiation Safety
BINDT, MIAQP,
United Kingdom,
Joined Mar 2009
151
21:57 Oct-09-2009
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to Derek Righini at 21:03 Oct-09-2009 .

Why don't you contact some Companies dealing with Paint Inspection asking them if Rope access would help you gain employment first which then gets you in the door,you can add offshore survival.

Before you spend your money on the courses UT and PT, pass the classroom you may as you say but see if you can get in the door first. As it can also act as a good incentive, to continue.

Regards

    
 
 
Derek Righini
Derek Righini
17:11 Oct-10-2009
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to Phil at 21:57 Oct-09-2009 .

Hi Phil the reason I want to do a couple of NDT qualifications is that it seems to be easier to get a start in NDT. I haven't given up on Paint Inspection, in fact I am constantly reading books on corrosion prevention and protective coatings and my theoretical knowledge is quite extensive. NDT is in the same ball park and would add to the dozen or so methods I am already familiar with at testing substrate cleanliness, coatings, corrosion and coating failures.

But I don't want to do the PCN qualifications if it is near impossible to then get the hours in and be accredited.

Thanks Phil.

    
 
 
Phil
NDT Inspector, Radiation Safety
BINDT, MIAQP, United Kingdom, Joined Mar 2009, 151

Phil

NDT Inspector, Radiation Safety
BINDT, MIAQP,
United Kingdom,
Joined Mar 2009
151
17:39 Oct-10-2009
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to Derek Righini at 17:11 Oct-10-2009 .

Hi Derek,

As I said talk to Companies first to see if they will give you a start at Painting Inspection which gets you in the door, then ask them if they will give you the practical experience you need for your other qualifications, they will normally do this as it benefits them as well, just remember you are paying for the courses and exams, but will or should get a pay rise if you pass them. But get in the door first.

Regards

    
 
 
Nigel Armstrong
Engineering, - Specialist services
United Kingdom, Joined Oct 2000, 1094

Nigel Armstrong

Engineering, - Specialist services
United Kingdom,
Joined Oct 2000
1094
19:29 Oct-10-2009
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to Phil at 17:39 Oct-10-2009 .

Derek

With your knowledge of corrosion mechanisms have you considered plant inspection? Dont you think this might dovetail better with your current qualifications than NDT?

API, PCN and CSWIP all offer such certification and Matthews Engineering run regular courses. Their websites will detail qualification requirments such as pre-certification experience and training.

Good luck

Nigel

    
 
 
Phil
NDT Inspector, Radiation Safety
BINDT, MIAQP, United Kingdom, Joined Mar 2009, 151

Phil

NDT Inspector, Radiation Safety
BINDT, MIAQP,
United Kingdom,
Joined Mar 2009
151
14:12 Oct-11-2009
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to Nigel Armstrong at 19:29 Oct-10-2009 .

Derek,

Nigel might actually have a point and Plant Inspection could be a very good route for you to take, as you say you have an understanding of Corrosion, as you could always add rope access if you wanted at a later date.

Worth thinking about.

Regards,

    
 
 
Michel Couture
NDT Inspector,
consultant, Canada, Joined Sep 2006, 819

Michel Couture

NDT Inspector,
consultant,
Canada,
Joined Sep 2006
819
21:59 Oct-11-2009
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to Phil at 14:12 Oct-11-2009 .

Phil,

I've followed the trend of your conversation. I don't know much about how things are done in the UK (I'am from Canada), but I tell you what I did suggest to a young guy back home. He's very bright and presently working in a forge doing meanial jobs. I think he's worth better that what he is doing now. So I suggested for him to look into the the CINDE website (Canada) and see what he would like to do. He decided to take MT and PT to start and will ask is employer to allow him the put in time towards is certification. If it is not possible, I suggested to approach NDT companies and even if push comes to shove, to almost volonteer yourself to get your hours.

I know it's not the ideal situation, but I know later on that it will pay off and sometimes this is what you have to do to get to where you want to be. Myself, I'm making the big step and decided to take the PAUT Training at Lavender. So as I write this, I'm sitting in my room at the Rose & Crown in Penistone, UK, being very anxious about tomorrow.

Someone else mentionned that they saw grown men cry at MT exam? WOW!!! Abviously this is not the trade for them or maybe the training they received was less than adequate. This is why, before doing anything, you have to do the research and make sure, that there is employment in that field and the training you will be receiving is endorse by a governing body. Nowadays, its a little easier, the internet and this site in particular makes its so much easier to weed out organisations that are below par.

Good Luck!!!

S

    
 
 
Derek Righini
Derek Righini
11:51 Oct-12-2009
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to Michel Couture at 21:59 Oct-11-2009 .

Fantastic reply Phil,

I am no spring chicken but I recon I have got 20 years of work left in me. I have made a few changes in my life, I graduated with a good Economics Honors degree in 1988, I got caught up in the building boom and I am competent in all the building trades but I just do not want to be doing what I am doing in another 10 years time.

I make you right when you say 'almost volunteer yourself to get your hours' I would be prepared to do just that. Thanks for your support Phil I am going to book in with Talon NDT in Aberdeen nothing ventured nothing gained.

I wish you all the best and hope you sail through your PAUT course.

Derek

    
 
 
Michel Couture
NDT Inspector,
consultant, Canada, Joined Sep 2006, 819

Michel Couture

NDT Inspector,
consultant,
Canada,
Joined Sep 2006
819
22:24 Oct-12-2009
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to Derek Righini at 11:51 Oct-12-2009 .

Hi Derek,

PAUT course is great. I just have to get use to some of the British slang and to rememer to look right first than left before crossing the street. I'm sure that in three weeks, I should either have it down path or I'll be dead. LOL

Cheerio's

    
 
 
Dee
Dee
21:16 Oct-20-2009
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to Michel Couture at 22:24 Oct-12-2009 .

Well, after reading about the difficulty of gaining experience I think im gonna find it hard to even register on a training course. I have no experience in NDT except that which i have learned from a close friend and from reading a hell of a lot of literature on visual, Magnetic & Penetrant Inspection. I really want to enter into this field of work but i think i may fall a the first hurdle..How do i gain experience to enable me to enter onto a course? Does anyone know if its harder to get work if your a women? Is this a job for the boys only??

    
 
 
Michel Couture
NDT Inspector,
consultant, Canada, Joined Sep 2006, 819

Michel Couture

NDT Inspector,
consultant,
Canada,
Joined Sep 2006
819
18:37 Oct-21-2009
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to Dee at 21:16 Oct-20-2009 .

Dee,

You don't have to have experience to attend a course. The reason for the course is to teach you what you need to know to do the job and meet the requirement to pass your certification exams after you have obtain the proper amount of hands on experience.

You're not saying where you're from, so it's a little hard for me to guide you to the proper people. But from what I know, the course (training) you will choose will have to be recognised by a certifying agency. Also, each ageny or national certifying body depending on your level of education has a standard for training and experience that you will have to meet before you can do your certification exams. If you go on certifying agency website like CGSB for Canada, BINDT for Great Britain and ASTN for the USA, you will find the information required.

Good Luck!

    
 
 
Amy
NDT Inspector, - -
USA, Joined Jan 2009, 87

Amy

NDT Inspector, - -
USA,
Joined Jan 2009
87
20:41 Oct-21-2009
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to Dee at 21:16 Oct-20-2009 .

Dee,
I've been in this field since the early 90's and everyone has to start somewhere. If you aren't adaptable to different work enviroments and situations you may have difficulty, as would anyone, man or woman. This work typically involves alot of travel and the need to be fully adaptable, heights, confined spaces, and alot of climbing. If you do get a lab job, they are far and few between. You will work with mostly men, but I have never been treated with anything but respect and always hold my own.

Good Luck, Amy

    
 
 
Rick
Rick
13:45 May-13-2013
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to Michel Couture at 18:37 Oct-21-2009 .

Do you know of any companies in Alberta Canada that accept Asnt certs?

    
 
 
Nicky
United Kingdom, Joined Apr 2013, 4

Nicky

United Kingdom,
Joined Apr 2013
4
12:01 May-14-2013
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to Derek Righini at 11:51 Oct-12-2009 .

Hi Derek

Good luck with Talon mate. I'm off there in a couple of weeks myself.

Keep us posted with how your getting on.

Best of luck

    
 
 
Dianne Craig
Dianne Craig
17:11 Jul-11-2014
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to Derek Righini at 15:21 Oct-09-2009 (Opening).

Are there any centers to get PCN Certification in the USA?

    
 
 
Ed Ginzel
R & D, -
Materials Research Institute, Canada, Joined Nov 1998, 1212

Ed Ginzel

R & D, -
Materials Research Institute,
Canada,
Joined Nov 1998
1212
21:52 Jul-11-2014
Re: How do I get certified as PCN UT and MT?
In Reply to Dianne Craig at 17:11 Jul-11-2014 .

Dianne, I am not sure if you specifically need/want PCN, but there is also an equivalent programme in the CSWIP certification. The programme is run by TWI North America,
1505 Highway 6 South
Suite 380
Houston
TX 77077
USA
Tel: +1 281 680 2000
Toll free (US only): 800 994 163

    
 
 

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