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Ananthan
Ananthan
04:37 Nov-05-2002
Level II certification

Hello,

Some of our customers are asking us to train and certify their
employees in RT as per SNT TC 1A of ASNT. But the candidates
are to undertake only RT Film interpretation.
Can we train them only for film interpretation and certify as
ASNT Level II in RT ?
Should we mention in the certificate as " Level II RT
- Film interpretation " ?
What is the industry practice ?
Since many QC engineers evaluate only films and not undertake any Radiography testing themselves , can such qualified persons be permitted to evaluate films as per ASME Sec VIII, / IX or AWS D1.1 ?

S S Ananthan


    
 
 
William Blum
Consultant, Training, Level III Services
NDT Consulting Group Inc., USA, Joined Nov 2000, 89

William Blum

Consultant, Training, Level III Services
NDT Consulting Group Inc.,
USA,
Joined Nov 2000
89
05:00 Nov-05-2002
Re: Level II certification
For a lenghty discussion on this topic see http://www.aws.org/cgi-bin/mwf/topic_show.pl?id=1235.

: Hello,
.
: Some of our customers are asking us to train and certify their
: employees in RT as per SNT TC 1A of ASNT. But the candidates
: are to undertake only RT Film interpretation.
: Can we train them only for film interpretation and certify as
: ASNT Level II in RT ?
: Should we mention in the certificate as " Level II RT
: - Film interpretation " ?
: What is the industry practice ?
: Since many QC engineers evaluate only films and not undertake any Radiography testing themselves , can such qualified persons be permitted to evaluate films as per ASME Sec VIII, / IX or AWS D1.1 ?
.
: S S Ananthan
.



    
 
 
Bill Cook
Bill Cook
05:07 Nov-05-2002
Re: Level II certification
: Hello,
.
: Some of our customers are asking us to train and certify their
: employees in RT as per SNT TC 1A of ASNT. But the candidates
: are to undertake only RT Film interpretation.
: Can we train them only for film interpretation and certify as
: ASNT Level II in RT ?
: Should we mention in the certificate as " Level II RT
: - Film interpretation " ?
: What is the industry practice ?
: Since many QC engineers evaluate only films and not undertake any Radiography testing themselves , can such qualified persons be permitted to evaluate films as per ASME Sec VIII, / IX or AWS D1.1 ?
.
: S S Ananthan
.

You must put "Level II, Radiographic Film interpertaions only". The person is NOT a radiographer and therefore is not qualified to make the radiogphic film.

Bill



    
 
 
S S Ananthan
S S Ananthan
07:54 Nov-05-2002
Re: Level II certification
: : Hello,
: .
: : Some of our customers are asking us to train and certify their
: : employees in RT as per SNT TC 1A of ASNT. But the candidates
: : are to undertake only RT Film interpretation.
: : Can we train them only for film interpretation and certify as
: : ASNT Level II in RT ?
: : Should we mention in the certificate as " Level II RT
: : - Film interpretation " ?
: : What is the industry practice ?
: : Since many QC engineers evaluate only films and not undertake any Radiography testing themselves , can such qualified persons be permitted to evaluate films as per ASME Sec VIII, / IX or AWS D1.1 ?
: .
: : S S Ananthan
: .
.
: You must put "Level II, Radiographic Film interpertaions only". The person is NOT a radiographer and therefore is not qualified to make the radiogphic film.
.
: Bill
.
Hello,

1)Is the person who is qualified for this RT Film interpretation only, eligible to undertake radiographic film interpretation as per ASME Sec VIII / IX ?
2)Can the duration of the training course be reduced for this course compared to waht is recommended by ASNT SNT-TC-1A

SS Ananthan


    
 
 
Bill Cook
Bill Cook
00:42 Nov-05-2002
Re: Level II certification
: : : Hello,
: : .
: : : Some of our customers are asking us to train and certify their
: : : employees in RT as per SNT TC 1A of ASNT. But the candidates
: : : are to undertake only RT Film interpretation.
: : : Can we train them only for film interpretation and certify as
: : : ASNT Level II in RT ?
: : : Should we mention in the certificate as " Level II RT
: : : - Film interpretation " ?
: : : What is the industry practice ?
: : : Since many QC engineers evaluate only films and not undertake any Radiography testing themselves , can such qualified persons be permitted to evaluate films as per ASME Sec VIII, / IX or AWS D1.1 ?
: : .
: : : S S Ananthan
: : .
: .
: : You must put "Level II, Radiographic Film interpertaions only". The person is NOT a radiographer and therefore is not qualified to make the radiogphic film.
: .
: : Bill
: .
: Hello,
.
: 1)Is the person who is qualified for this RT Film interpretation only, eligible to undertake radiographic film interpretation as per ASME Sec VIII / IX ?
: 2)Can the duration of the training course be reduced for this course compared to waht is recommended by ASNT SNT-TC-1A
:
: SS Ananthan
.
1. Yes, he can be certified in any code you wish.
2. Yes, you can establish your own training requirements and examinations per SNT-TC-1a. Its up to your customers if they want to accept your certification process.

I have trained and examined Radiographic Film Interperters only using such a modified program. You just have to document it like any other certification method.

Bill



    
 
 
Mike Trinidad
Consultant,
LMATS Pty Ltd , Australia, Joined Jan 2003, 138

Mike Trinidad

Consultant,
LMATS Pty Ltd ,
Australia,
Joined Jan 2003
138
02:55 Nov-08-2002
Re: Level II certification
: Hello,
.
: Some of our customers are asking us to train and certify their
: employees in RT as per SNT TC 1A of ASNT. But the candidates
: are to undertake only RT Film interpretation.
: Can we train them only for film interpretation and certify as
: ASNT Level II in RT ?
: Should we mention in the certificate as " Level II RT
: - Film interpretation " ?
: What is the industry practice ?
: Since many QC engineers evaluate only films and not undertake any Radiography testing themselves , can such qualified persons be permitted to evaluate films as per ASME Sec VIII, / IX or AWS D1.1 ?
.
: S S Ananthan
.
G'Day Mr Ananthan

I just happened to be glancing through my copy of SNT-TC-1A today and there is a specific sylabii in there for Radiographic Interpretation.

However before cutting and slashing it down to the bones it should be considered that most certification bodies conduct a three part examination consisting of:

1. General - RT level II theory
2. Specific - Film Interpretation theory ie identification of artifacts, sensitivity calculations, causes of defects, welding processes etc
3. Practical - self explanatory

The candidate must have a good knowledge of the whole process and theory to be able to identify what is going on from the small amount of information presented on the film.


Kindest Regards


Mike Trinidad



    
 
 
David Davies
David Davies
02:34 Nov-09-2002
Re: Level II certification
: : Hello,
: .
: : Some of our customers are asking us to train and certify their
: : employees in RT as per SNT TC 1A of ASNT. But the candidates
: : are to undertake only RT Film interpretation.
: : Can we train them only for film interpretation and certify as
: : ASNT Level II in RT ?
: : Should we mention in the certificate as " Level II RT
: : - Film interpretation " ?
: : What is the industry practice ?
: : Since many QC engineers evaluate only films and not undertake any Radiography testing themselves , can such qualified persons be permitted to evaluate films as per ASME Sec VIII, / IX or AWS D1.1 ?
: .
: : S S Ananthan
: .
: G'Day Mr Ananthan
.
: I just happened to be glancing through my copy of SNT-TC-1A today and there is a specific sylabii in there for Radiographic Interpretation.
.
: However before cutting and slashing it down to the bones it should be considered that most certification bodies conduct a three part examination consisting of:
.
: 1. General - RT level II theory
: 2. Specific - Film Interpretation theory ie identification of artifacts, sensitivity calculations, causes of defects, welding processes etc
: 3. Practical - self explanatory
.
: The candidate must have a good knowledge of the whole process and theory to be able to identify what is going on from the small amount of information presented on the film.
.
:
: Kindest Regards
.
:
: Mike Trinidad
.

Mr Ananthan,

I would like to add to Mikes comments that the final authority is often not the certification body but the final customer. You can modify your written practice to carry out certification on interpretation only but many organisations insist that interpreters on their work hold a Level II radiography certificate before they are allowed to interpret films.
I guess you are dealing with welds from the codes you quote and a good background in welding is also a huge advantage.
At the very least, the interpreter should complete the Level II radiographer syllabus plus some training on welding processes and discontinuities before being allowed to sentence films.
Good interpretation is more complex than it is given credit for and each film can "tell a story" to an experienced set of eyes.

p.s. you can only call them ASNT Level II if they are certified directly by ASNT, there was a discussion on this on one of the bulletin boards, I can't remember which one.

Dave Davies


    
 
 

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